Posted October 31, 200618 yr Hey guys!!! :fear So the newest bird i got (Lilly), is still undecided on who thinks she is a recessive or a dominant pied. She was in a cage with yellow face recessive that looked similar to her, aswell as yellow face dominant pieds that looked simila to her...All 6 weeks old, and from the same shipment as the others... Here are piccies!!! Good natural colour shot... perfect markings shot... This is a white band on her lower belly..Her body colour is yellow..but this is a white patch that goes form under her wing, to the other side under her wing... You can see both white marks on either side of her blue belly ... Another shot of the mysterious band... Good natural coloured wing/body colour picture... Her front... See the white band yet yellow body colour everywhere else? Yet another picture of her undersides... Weird mirror shot...(relfection) So guys..what do you think she is?!?!?! Thanks!!! Kirbs
October 31, 200618 yr Recessive - her markings are lower down on her body which is an indicator of recessive pied. Her wing markings are quite patchy, another indicator of recessive pied and also she's got few markings on her head - another indicator.
October 31, 200618 yr Author Thanks Bea! Your the only good voter so far..as the other 2 people ran away after voting and didnt help me out by tryign to explain themselves :fear (Laughing out loud) I see what you mean..however ive seen dominant pied budgies like her with the front marked like that, aswell as the wings, head markings e.t.c. I do however think she may be one of those birds whos a domninant pied but is showing recessive traits... Ill see if i canget a picture of the bird im talking about...shes got patches of markings like a recessive but has 1 iris ring in 1 eye, and not one in the other, and everyone said shes a dominant pied...Ill go search for the picture FOUND HER!!!! As you can see she looks like a dominant pied, and a recessive! Shes only got 1 iris ring though..yet produces dominant pied babies (Laughing out loud) http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Budgies74/mmd2.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Budgies74/vg3.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Budgies74/bb3.jpg Kirbs Edited October 31, 200618 yr by Kirby
November 1, 200618 yr Author Haha thanks guys... It honestly doesnt matter to me, either way shes a BEAUTY!!!! Ive just been told by numerous people she IS a dominant, then even more say recessive...I thought recessive aswell...but he white band confused me....(Laughing out loud) Thanks guys...and i hope to see more voyes! (Laughing out loud) Who voted dominant? Kirbs
November 1, 200618 yr Thanks Bea! Your the only good voter so far..as the other 2 people ran away after voting and didnt help me out by tryign to explain themselves lol I see what you mean..however ive seen dominant pied budgies like her with the front marked like that, aswell as the wings, head markings e.t.c. I do however think she may be one of those birds whos a domninant pied but is showing recessive traits... Ill see if i canget a picture of the bird im talking about...shes got patches of markings like a recessive but has 1 iris ring in 1 eye, and not one in the other, and everyone said shes a dominant pied...Ill go search for the picture FOUND HER!!!! As you can see she looks like a dominant pied, and a recessive! Shes only got 1 iris ring though..yet produces dominant pied babies lol http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Budgies74/mmd2.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Budgies74/vg3.jpg http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y23/Budgies74/bb3.jpg Kirbs kirbs, dude.... That bird you are giving links to is very much a dominant pied. I've told you a couple of times I also think Lilly is a dominant pied. You cannot tell by looking at the patchiness of color with any certainty that a budgie is recessive. Lilly is marked similarly to how my Rainbow was in the wings, and also in that Lilly's base color is more towards her belly than her head. The biggest difference is that his chest was seafoam green because of the yellow bleedthrough - Lilly doesn't appear to have that. And Rainbow had that line of white around the legs too. Her wings are marked closer to a "typical" dominant pied rather than a recessive. Recessive's tend to be more patchy and sparse. Her markings, while not covering the whole wing, are very uniform in their placement. She has more markings on her wing than some of my dominants. She looks opaline as well as dilute. The line where the yellow of her chest turns to the blue of her belly is very straight, very uniform. There, how was that for an explanation?
November 1, 200618 yr Well Buzz (right) was recessive pied and she's got even more markings than Lilly. I've seen heaps of recessive pieds marked in this way. To me Lilly seems to have markings not typical of a dominant pied.
November 1, 200618 yr Author Thanks guys! Rainbow...can we see some pics of Rainbow? That would be greaaaat!!! Also, that bird was on its own thread about what it was. She only had 1 iris ring, yet everyone thought she was a dominant pied. It ended up she was a mix of the two, and had dominant pied babies with a violet normal...I want looking or showing you that bird for markings, just to show you what i meant about a brd looking dominant but only having 1 tini iris ring...(Laughing out loud) Kirbs Edited November 1, 200618 yr by Kirby
November 1, 200618 yr Birds that look like dominant pied and only have one iris ring I would safely assumed that it is a double factor dominant pied. It is a characteristics in the DF dom pied to only have one iris ring. Like Bubble's new rescue bird FREE.. and my SPIRIT. Both only have one iris rings. Remember Chase?? We had some discussion about her whether she's a dominant or a recessive pied, and most thought that she was a dominant pied due to the body colour up around her neck area. Eight months since she hatched she still hasn't got any signs of iris rings, so I'm very confident to say that she's a recessive pied (also aside the fact that everyone ignored the fact that both parents were recessive therefore can only produce recessive)... I am going to say that Lilly is a recessive pied as she has the classics 'signs' to be a recessive. Here's spirit and her one iris ring... Edited November 1, 200618 yr by Cheeta
November 2, 200618 yr Spirit looks DF dominant. And Kirby, you get dominant pieds and normals from dominant pied parents. :sad: For instance, with 2 dominant pied parents, you have Pn for genes. (very simplified I know, just want you to get an idea.) P stands for pied, it is capitalized because it is dominant over normal. n stands for normal, it is small only because it is recessive to pied in this case. When you combine genes, you can get either Pn, PP, or nn. Pn will be singlefactor pied. PP will be doublefactor pied. nn will be normal, with no pied genes at all. So for that bird to produce pieds and normals makes perfect sense if it is a dominant pied. Does that make sense?
November 2, 200618 yr Author Hahaha yes i kinda got the explaination..thanks! Can we get pics of Rainbow Rainbow? (Laughing out loud) That would be great! Kirbs :sad:
November 2, 200618 yr Author Hey guys... Heres a thread on Zebras bird Pipi...I thought of this bird before...when i was trying to figure out what Lilly was...So here it is...Its pointless i think, (Laughing out loud), but i just wanted you guys to see it. As you can see i thought she was a recessive pied (Pipi) but others thought dominant even though shes got no iris rings... Heres the link: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....=10926&hl=Zebra Kirbs
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