Pie, I think when you and I first put this idea forward a lot of members had firmly ingrained in their mind that the spots were a dominant pied thing and nothing else. Noone else previously on here had shown the other side of it like the recessive pied spot and even the spangle spot.

Now that you and I have educated the forum a little more....we all know that the small spot is indicating split to recessive pied. Great to know when you are after a split, to see that tiny spot on the back of some budgies heads in a mixed aviary and KNOW that its a split recessive budgie. Not too many budgies that are split show it in this way. Very cool

Merlin's spot is very large so what do you think split or a nice pied spot?

 

Merlin's spot is very large so what do you think split or a nice pied spot?

 

Merlin just breaks all the rules. To me he cannot be dominant pied without other dominant pied traits showing. Being as dominant pied is a dominant gene not a recessive one if he were dom pied he should look like one in all ways. Most recessive splits dont have a spot that large but I would say he was a recessive pied split before I would call him a dominant pied. BUT if anyone has a better explanation I would like to hear it.

No idea about Merlins ancestry, Elly ?

Edited October 24, 200816 yr by KAZ

I 'ed Lisa to find out his parents but no response yet she checks her e-mails here and there so I might get something I might not.

 

His sister was a green had had the same spot, I still have a picture of her I think let me check. Just checked, Lisa had suspended her photo account and I never saved to my computer silly me but I remember the youngest being green with the spot but it was a little smaller not as large as Merlin's...I took him because I like blues and loved his spot.

Edited October 24, 200816 yr by Elly

Its a very cool spot whatever he is!!

 

 

and for such a big spot buggered if it will show on the photos in your siggy Lol!!

Oh I can clear up Merlins gene's... He's the first of his kind.. its called the Merlin mutation

I've had several birds with similar sized spots to Merlin's that have been bred from recessive pieds mated to normals. There is no doubt in my mind that any size spot on an otherwise normal bird is a sign that it is split for recessive pied

I've had a budgie that looked identical to Merlin, the spot was the exact same size(maybe larger), but if you saw him from the front, you'd swear he was just a normal...and he was bred from one normal parent and one Dominant Pied..I'm not great with genetics but that rules out split to Recessive doesn't it?

Edited October 25, 200816 yr by Jen144

I've had a budgie that looked identical to Merlin, the spot was the exact same size(maybe larger), but if you saw him from the front, you'd swear he was just a normal...and he was bred from one normal parent and one Dominant Pied..I'm not great with genetics but that rules out split to Recessive doesn't it?

Not necessarily. One of the parents could be split for recessive pied and the chick inherited the split. If it was dominant pied then it would have the other characteristics of a dominant pied as well

Well, he has the large head spot, and one tinsy little spot between his wings..he also had the white face even before his molt, so it looked like he already had been through his moult. I might be wrong but isn't that Dominant Pied usually?

Well, he has the large head spot, and one tinsy little spot between his wings..he also had the white face even before his molt, so it looked like he already had been through his moult. I might be wrong but isn't that Dominant Pied usually?

A dominant pied would have clear flight feathers and a clear area across the front

I've had a budgie that looked identical to Merlin, the spot was the exact same size(maybe larger), but if you saw him from the front, you'd swear he was just a normal...and he was bred from one normal parent and one Dominant Pied..I'm not great with genetics but that rules out split to Recessive doesn't it?

Are you sure the one parent was dominant pied ? Photo ? Also couldnt a dominant pied be split for recessive ?

I was going to say that Kaz yes a dominant pied can be split for recessive.

I am still waiting to hear from Lisa, I may never LOL but when I send her updates she responses so we will see.

Neville, you know what you are talking about so I believe you :party0011:. So do you think it is just from a normal to a pied pairing that could make such a big spot?

Neville, you know what you are talking about so I believe you :party0011: . So do you think it is just from a normal to a pied pairing that could make such a big spot?

This chick is from a pair of normals, the mother is split for recessive pied but she has no spot. The other chicks are all normals with no spots

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll78/nev90/131.jpg

Edited October 25, 200816 yr by Elly
image changed to link, over the 480x640 size regulation

got it so really it can come from any breeding pair the spot period indicates a carrier as a recessive pied, how about the spangle pied mark what are your thoughts on that

Some spangles have spots that are the same colour as their bodies. I don't think that these ones are a sign of recessive pied. The ones with clear spots would probably be split for recessive pied. The only one I have with a body coloured spot is split for opaline but I don't know if there is any connection

Edited October 25, 200816 yr by Neville

interesting, Neville thank you for clearing this up for me .