October 19, 200618 yr yeah a look, see and take (you lucky girl) if you walk away you are one strong lady :dbb1:
October 19, 200618 yr Hmmm look, see, and take... hmmm I do like the sound of that one.. hehe.. I've always wanted a dom pied opaline spangle... Lovey, I'll see what I can do... (Laughing out loud).. oh it is hard each time I go over there and walk away empty handed!!! (Laughing out loud)
October 19, 200618 yr Author Hmmm look, see, and take... hmmm I do like the sound of that one.. hehe.. I've always wanted a dom pied opaline spangle... Lovey, I'll see what I can do... LOL.. oh it is hard each time I go over there and walk away empty handed!!! LOL :hap: I will be watching pockets, and ponytails
October 22, 200618 yr is Mr. Fluffy Cheeks body bright as his tail if so I would say a full body grey wing opaline and the other one looks like a spangle yes and opaline.?
October 23, 200618 yr Author is Mr. Fluffy Cheeks body bright as his tail if so I would say a full body grey wing opaline and the other one looks like a spangle yes and opaline.? Full body greywing opaline (yes ?) seems to have a white band across the chest........... Second baby budgie is spangle and pied ? not sure of anything else.
October 25, 200618 yr It's torture isn't it Lovey. All of Karen's budgies are so gorgeous. I'm sure without this forum I'd still just have tweety and sylvester. I had no idea there were so many gorgeous mutations out there!
October 25, 200618 yr Beautiful little babies.. Im looking forward to the photos of them out and about the aviary once they have fledged..
October 26, 200618 yr Author Parents rejected these two babies. Upon closer inspection I found that both babies have an undershot beak problem. Thats when the lower beak grows more than the top beak. I am handfeeding the babies right now. Here is some info re undershot beaks...... QUOTE .... UNDERSHOT BEAK. The most common cause is soft food being permitted to get lodged and caked in the upper mandible of young birds while in the nest and being fed by the parents. This causes the upper mandible to stop growing properly which allows the lower mandible to grow over the top one. REMEDY. Check the young in the next boxes every day, paying particular attention to the beak. If necessary clean the soft food away from the inside of the beak with a tooth pick. A lesson learnt here......you have to check babies a little more closely...open the beak and check for lodged food. Something we dont think about really. If we ever see a baby like this we assume it is a genetic fault. But it is preventable and we need to check young babies always for the possibility of the problem devloping. A POSSIBLE CURE.... housing an undershot chick in an all-wire cage can often cure the problem, the need to climb the wires, by pulling on the beak and spending the night in the position of clinging onto the wires often solves the problem. It should not be thought that there is any cruelty in this arrangement as it mirrors the wild budgerigar's habit of clinging beneath the leaves of eucalyptus trees.
October 26, 200618 yr Sorry to hear about your little ones and thank you for posting the information regarding the undershot beaks.. Its something that i don't think i've even thought about before (looking INSIDE the beaks) but its something i most certainly adopt into my normal chick check procedures.. The remedy although they say its not cruel... seems soooo horrible, I think its just because all of our birds are spoilt and we would never even consider leaving them in an all wire cage That must be the toughest treatment to carry out EVER Good luck with then Karen and keep us updated Cheers :beer: Una
October 26, 200618 yr Author Sorry to hear about your little ones and thank you for posting the information regarding the undershot beaks.. Its something that i don't think i've even thought about before (looking INSIDE the beaks) but its something i most certainly adopt into my normal chick check procedures..The remedy although they say its not cruel... seems soooo horrible, I think its just because all of our birds are spoilt and we would never even consider leaving them in an all wire cage That must be the toughest treatment to carry out EVER Good luck with then Karen and keep us updated Cheers :beer: Una Having been through this I am now checking the other babies beaks, in nests. In a nest of 5 babies there were two with food caught up in the top beak, which I used a feather quill to shift out of the area. They didnt seem to mind at all, but it will become a normal part of my chick checking procedures now. The two handfed babies of Harley and Rose have been given to a budgie enthusiast / animal liberationist pal with a lot more time and patience than I can spare right now to raise them. I have suddenly had a huge influx of leadlight work that generally goes crazy between now and Christmas. I need my sleep, and it was a hard choice to make. If somone else with care and knowledge can do for these two babies what I cannot right now, then they are in a better place. But I will be more fastidious with checking inside babies beaks from this point on so I can avoid the likelihood of this problem reoccurring.
October 26, 200618 yr I have a question about the mutations. To me neither parent is opaline. Niether has the clear V shape between their wings which if they were opaline would be body colour. Many of my spangles have some body colour showing up where black/grey markings should on their wings and i think that's just a spangle thing. Blinkie and Ozzie have this and so do some of my others. And the babies really don't look opaline...
October 26, 200618 yr Its Wonderful news that you were able to find them a loving home to go to already, it takes a special person to take on the responsibility to care for something/someone with special needs It must be sad for you that this happened and i'm sure we have ALL learnt something from this.. thank you for sharing
October 26, 200618 yr Author I have a question about the mutations. To me neither parent is opaline. Niether has the clear V shape between their wings which if they were opaline would be body colour. Many of my spangles have some body colour showing up where black/grey markings should on their wings and i think that's just a spangle thing. Blinkie and Ozzie have this and so do some of my others. And the babies really don't look opaline... Sorry Bea....I am not that clued up on this topic either so you might have to direct this question to Nerwen, Cheeta, Rainbow and Lovey amongst many others who can help. I can't ....I am sorry
October 26, 200618 yr Awe Karen you did what was best for them (don't feel bad) they will get the care they need. Bea...I agree with the babies not looking opaline and as for the parents I am not sure myself. Did I say they were opaline??
October 26, 200618 yr Opaline has been confusing me lately a regular opaline that looks visual I get but alot of time I am hearing opaline just because the coloring is going throughout the wings (and I am not sure if that is entirely correct). http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html#opaline now the picture of the 2 blue birds here remind of of Harley and Rose yes?
October 26, 200618 yr Author Opaline has been confusing me lately a regular opaline that looks visual I get but alot of time I am hearing opaline just because the coloring is going throughout the wings (and I am not sure if that is entirely correct). Thats where I get confused too Lovey...the colour going through the wings......I suppose I will "get it" in the end...
October 26, 200618 yr See the running of the colors is not part of the Spangle Mutation though only Opaline Spangle Unlike the opaline, spangle does not cause the body colors to spread throughout the feathers of the neck and wings. However a budgie can be both spangle and opaline, causing a unique pattern of color dissipating through the wings. http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html#spangle if you scroll down on spangle you will see an opaline spangle
October 26, 200618 yr Author See the running of the colors is not part of the Spangle Mutation though only Opaline Spangle Unlike the opaline, spangle does not cause the body colors to spread throughout the feathers of the neck and wings. However a budgie can be both spangle and opaline, causing a unique pattern of color dissipating through the wings. http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html#spangle if you scroll down on spangle you will see an opaline spangle ....and if the colour dissipating through the wings is just a small percentage of the wing area......it is an opaline spangle ?? Awe Karen you did what was best for them (don't feel bad) they will get the care they need. The thing is Lovey ....when you are handfeeding these bubs and suddenly they aren't your responsibility anymore, you feel a sadness and a great loss....even if the new home is a better one
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