milo:

 

Starskie, jasper, winter & lime

 

lemon

 

and i have a quick question about sally my light normal green, i just noticed that she has a pure little yellow patch on her head, which i understand is a rescessive pied, my she looks just like a normal green so i'm not really understanding....

I'm no expert, but I think the little spot on the back of the head indicates a dominant pied not a recessive pied. Great pics. Beautiful birds! :angel1:

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Sally would be a dominant pied with the head spot and looks like a normal that is how my Merlin is

 

#1 picture looks like a Opaline YF2 Mauve

#2 picture the blue one is a normal unless he has a white spot which would make him a dominant pied and the 3 across look like recessive pied

#3 looks like a lutino with the green hue (does it have red eyes) or it could be just my screen but I don't see patches for a recessive pied. Oh and if it has dark eyes it could be a dark eyed clear or a double factor spangle.

although in the second pick starskie the 1st one has really light grey wings, would he be a skyblue grey wing?

 

and lemon the one in the last picture, has dark eyes her wing markings are VERY faint but noticable, and she is yellow with a all over hue of green.

 

and for some reason, i was thinking recessive pied- meaning less= spot

visa verca you can see that its pied so it must be dominate...

i'll figure it all out someday

 

 

 

 

 

Sally would be a dominant pied with the head spot and looks like a normal that is how my Merlin is

 

#1 picture looks like a Opaline YF2 Mauve

#2 picture the blue one is a normal unless he has a white spot which would make him a dominant pied and the 3 across look like recessive pied

#3 looks like a lutino with the green hue (does it have red eyes) or it could be just my screen but I don't see patches for a recessive pied. Oh and if it has dark eyes it could be a dark eyed clear or a double factor spangle.

 

Yellowface Opaline ### (you pick the colour, my eyes are not good enough)

 

Greywing Skyblue, 2 x skyblue recessive pieds, dark green recessive pied

 

Depending on her irus ring she could be a Black Eyed Clear or a Double factor spangle.

Is there any green on her at all. If so she could be a recessive pied.

Edited September 26, 200618 yr by daz

lemon has no green on her, she is 2 and a half and has no ring.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yellowface Opaline ### (you pick the colour, my eyes are not good enough)

 

Greywing Skyblue, 2 x skyblue recessive pieds, dark green recessive pied

 

Depending on her irus ring she could be a Black Eyed Clear or a Double factor spangle.

Is there any green on her at all. If so she could be a recessive pied.

They're very pretty. I think Milo may be a yellowface opaline grey.

okay i have a question, when you have a y/f blue it eventually looks green, soooowhen you have a y/f grey what colour does it turn?

hurdy I was thinking that but thought the patches looks more bluish but it could be my screen and you are better then this then I.

 

As for the yellow into the grey a grey with yellowish tinging through? Not completely sure.

okay, so i have another question, milo, winter,jasper, lemon and lime all came from the same clutch what would there parents be?

and if budgies started out as either normal greens and normal blues what made pieds?

If both of the parents for sure where normals and not dominant pieds that would make them all recessives and this is because both of the parents are carrying this hidden gene.

 

To give a recessive gene to a baby the both parents have to carry the recessive gene (at times you don't know if they are carrying it because the dominant gene is masking the recessive gene).

 

Just like us, both my husband and I have brown eyes but but both of our kids have blue eyes which means we both are carrying the blue eyed gene.

 

Make sense?

 

Now if you breed 2 recessive pieds you would get recessive pied because they can't carry 1 dominant gene. There are also sex linked mutations which is another story

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okay after a wee bit i think its sinking in, so does this mean that milo ( because hes a y/f grey) and lemon (because she's a double factor something) are sex linked being they are from the same clutch as the recessive pieds?

Interesting.. so I would assume one of the parents was a yellowface and one was green - if the yellowface was split for blue.. and the green was split for blue then you could get greens, yellowfaces and blues.

 

Since you got recessive pieds (jasper, winter and lime) that means the the both parents must have been carrying that gene.

 

lemon (because she's a double factor something) are sex linked being they are from the same clutch as the recessive pieds?

Are lemons eyes red?

If they aren't and her parents were not spangles.. (spangles have white (or yellow) wings with a black edge to each individual feather)

one parent was probably a clearflight pied - when clearflight pied and recessive pied are both present you get what is referered to as a dark eyed clear

 

Opaline is sex linked -- but since Milo is a male his mother must have been an opaline and his father either and opaline or split for it (carrying the gene even though it is not visual)

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okay after a wee bit i think its sinking in, so does this mean that milo ( because hes a y/f grey) and lemon (because she's a double factor something) are sex linked being they are from the same clutch as the recessive pieds?

 

I dont think they are related.. milo is showing a sex linked gene and by what I can see he is male, now for him to show the gene his mother would have to of been opaline and father atleast split to opaline, this would make all the chicks in the clutch opaline.. or atleast all the hens, but you only appear to have one bird that is and thats milo..

now all the recessive pied birds may be related, but my understanding of greywing is that in order for the GW normal blue to be from the same clutch they would all be grey wing..

I could be wrong though.. but it just doesn't fit to me... unless I read something wrong.

I don't think Milo is Opaline I see yellow on his wings and lines in the 'v' area on the back.

 

It was stated before with lemon that she had no rings in the eye so she is a DEC which is recessive pied and dominant together.

 

grey wing (clearwing and dilute) is another recessive gene so will only show with two gene given to one chick which means only one baby out of a clutch can appear greywing while others are not.

I don't think Milo is Opaline I see yellow on his wings and lines in the 'v' area on the back.

 

It was stated before with lemon that she had no rings in the eye so she is a DEC which is recessive pied and dominant together.

 

grey wing (clearwing and dilute) is another recessive gene so will only show with two gene given to one chick which means only one baby out of a clutch can appear greywing while others are not.

 

okay.. well I said I could be wrong, thats what happens when I post about genetics at 2 o'clock in the morning..

I think everyone is calling Milo an opaline because of the fading around the V area, which does have some color bleed into it but doesn't appear to be any color bleed into the wings, he could be a poorly marked opaline... a better shot of the back may help..

 

as for greywing I would think that atleast one more out of the clutch would come out greywing.. am I wrong in assuming it would be 50/50..

My first instinct told me that Milo is an Opaline. The lines on the head are very 'faded', even those marking on the 'v' section is somewhat not consistent as well. There's definitely grey/mauve in the back and wing area, just not very prominent. I would say that little Milo would be a badly marked Opaline.

okay, i'm just catching up to all this, and i think there is a couple misunderstandings, prolly all on my part.

1: starskie(the skyblue greywing) is NOT related to milo and the recessive pieds & lemon,, i just wanted to confirm his mutation.

 

2: if lemon who is from the same clutch as milo is an opline they why cant milo be one?

 

3: I didnt mean to insinuate theat the parents were normals because i dont know what they are.

i meant it as a separte question.

 

"if budgies started out as normal blues and normal greens where did the pieds come from" I meant in general of all budgies.

 

4: I f milo is a poorly marked oplaine does that mean he should not be bred? (if in future i decide to)

and here i though milo was so pretty.

1: starskie(the skyblue greywing) is NOT related to milo and the recessive pieds & lemon,, i just wanted to confirm his mutation.

okay, that clears that up

 

2: if lemon who is from the same clutch as milo is an opline they why cant milo be one?

 

the way sex linked genes work is for a hen to show it the gene has to come from the father in which case all of the hen offspring would be opaline, it's not a hit or miss and if you know the parentage a really simple and easy way to sex young chicks, for cock offspring to show opaline the hen would have to show opaline or carry the gene(hens cannot be split to sex linked alleles if they have it they show it if they dont you know for a fact they dont), so if you have an opaline hen and a split to opaline cock and you breed them all chicks will be opaline, if you have an opaline cock and a normal hen only the hen off spring will be opaline, the cocks will be split to opaline, make sence?

this is why I was saying I dont think the rec. pieds are related.. but I can't see their backs either so..

 

4: I f milo is a poorly marked oplaine does that mean he should not be bred? (if in future i decide to)

and here i though milo was so pretty.

 

poorly marked doesn't mean ugly bird, I too think he's a pretty bird, and you can breed him, you just may not get nicely marked opaline(not saying you wont get pretty birds), but it all depends on what you are breeding for. I have a spangle thats on eggs, she's marked like a normal except for a few feathers, Nerwin ID'd her as a spangle due to cheek patch color, if she throws badly marked spangles.. okay so I wont breed for spangle with her, I'm not about to worry about that as I dont know what she'll give me, other than that she's a lovely bird, and the pair should give me some very nice pieds and opalines.

thank-you for clearing thi all up for me...makes sense, but apparently i still have a HUGE amount of reading to do...

an easy website to reference for different mutations is http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html and it is simple to read and understand.

okay, i'm just catching up to all this, and i think there is a couple misunderstandings, prolly all on my part.

1: starskie(the skyblue greywing) is NOT related to milo and the recessive pieds & lemon,, i just wanted to confirm his mutation.

Ahh okay then sorry for the mix up there

2: if lemon who is from the same clutch as milo is an opline they why cant milo be one?

I don't think Lemon was stated as one?? But opaline is a sexlinked gene so to get a male opaline you need one gene from both parents.

 

3: I didnt mean to insinuate theat the parents were normals because i dont know what they are.

i meant it as a separte question.

I didn't think you had.

 

"if budgies started out as normal blues and normal greens where did the pieds come from" I meant in general of all budgies.

In England when they started to breed them, interbreeding with the small numbers and such natual colour in the bird started to show up, this is normally hidden by the green in the wild becuase any other colours would have been killed early.

 

4: I f milo is a poorly marked oplaine does that mean he should not be bred? (if in future i decide to)

and here i though milo was so pretty.

He is pretty, and if you are only wanting to breed for fun then there isn't anything wrong with that, he and his kids wouldn't win a show for Opaline but there isn't anything wrong with that if your not wanting to go down that path

My opinion is that Milo is not opaline. The stripes are formed in the normal direction from the head all the way down the back. I don't notice any places devoid of stripes anywhere. They look dark to me, and appear to be of the same intensity all over. I don't see any of the fading that others see. He is an unusual color, and I think pretty. Any chance of more Milo pictures? Maybe if you can get some without the cage bars in the way, and from different angles it will be easier to tell.

okay i have a question, when you have a y/f blue it eventually looks green, soooowhen you have a y/f grey what colour does it turn?

I Have a yellow face grey which has patches of olive green where the yellow has bleed down onto the grey.

 

May be a little hard to see in this photo.

KellyM