I recently bought 2 white budgies, they are young, and thier cere's have not yet coloured up. now my question is, Do white budgies ceres colour the same as other colours, I seem to remember that they don't? there is a difference in the colour of the cere's between the two, normaly I would say one was a cock and one a hen, but I am uncertain at this time.

If they are albinos with the red eyes then the male stays pink and the female will turn tan.

 

If they are dark-eyed cleared with black eyes the male cere will turn stay pink and female will turn tan.

 

If you have a double factor spangle which is white then the cere will turn blue on the male and tan on the female.

 

I gave you all the example because I am not sure which mutation your 2 whites are .

 

Check out the cere on my recessive pied Pretty if the ceres are very pink like that with no or small nasel rings you most likely have a boy, if they are more white pink with white nasel rings most likely a female.

Edited September 4, 200618 yr by lovey

close lovely, but a DEC male should keep the pink cere like a recessive pied would, a Double Factor spangle male will get the blue cere like normal.

Yep when I clicked okay I remembered and I edited it but saw that you saw it already

yup looks like you got all the info now good work, does all that help paddles or have we confused you more?

Edited September 5, 200618 yr by Nerwen

 

 

 

 

 

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n146/Th...s/budgie004.jpg

 

 

Did this work,

 

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I think I have linked the pictures you wanted originally. The overall size is within board specs.

Rainbow

Edited September 6, 200618 yr by Rainbow

what cuties...

 

Nerwen will probably come back to this post too and let you know if I am right.

 

They both look like Dark Eyed Clears

 

The top one with no throat spot looks possible male and the other one with the throat spot 2nd picture is female.

I agree with Lovey's diagnosis

why thank you Dr. Bubbles

Thank you. What would be good pairs with them? Is white dominant? I have a cock, I'll post a picture soon that I would like to put with the hen, but am uncertain what would be good with them? I got them from a pet shop, so have no idea whats in thier background.

 

 

 

 

This is the cock that I would like to put with the white hen.

 

 

Can you tell me what this is while I'm here?

 

 

 

Here's a shot of Mama and bubs for your enjoyment, This pair are my first pair of budgies, and the cock in particular is a fav of mine, he sits with me when I'm feeding them, and if offered treats, eats from my hand.

 

 

Whoops no photo of the cock

Edited September 6, 200618 yr by Nerwen

I have marked this thread down to view later when I can see the pictures, but I trust lovely and Bubbles

 

I changed your pictures to links before they where too big for the limit on this board of 450 X 450.

Edited September 5, 200618 yr by Nerwen

okay, I went into photo bucket and resized the pics,

still seem to be two big...

Am I missing something all I seem to be seeing are Dominant pieds (possible Double factor) and a green normal

 

Ahh okay I got to your whole photobucket albun and found the white ones.

 

I'm not sure the eyes looks redish. Paddles did you tell us if they had bright red eyes in real life or not? I think your right with the sexes.

 

The mum with the bubs looks to be a yellowface type 1 dominant pied opaline.

 

THe male you want to add the white hen to is a grey dominant pied

 

and the other male is a normal green

The mum with the bubs looks to be a yellowface type 1 dominant pied opaline.

 

Mum has a white face? Green cock is only cock there, Pied grey, is youngster from last hatching, 4 weeks old. Eyes appear to be dark to me. there is a ring around the iris?

 

How do I tell how big the photo is? Should I just shrink it by half again?

 

the other male is a normal green

 

Is it? I thought it was something else cause of the blue bluring through it? If I put it with a blue pied, what would I get? (Or be likely to get?)

okay gotten a little confused. Are you saying there is an iris ring on the pied or the white birds??

 

Is it? I thought it was something else cause of the blue bluring through it? If I put it with a blue pied, what would I get? (Or be likely to get?)

 

It might be just the angle but he doesn't look like a goldenface to me.

You would get green dominant pieds and green normals unless he is split for blue then you can get blue dominant pieds and blue normals as well.

 

Mum has a white face?

Sorry The little bit I could see looks yellow to me, but real life is the best to go on, in that case she is a cobalt dominant pied opaline.

It might be just the angle but he doesn't look like a goldenface to me.

 

I'll catch him and get a closer, clearer shot tomorrow. Mums face is dirty, she always eats a lot of greenery when she's nesting. Loves grass etc. The iris ring is on the white birds, I went to check thier eye colour. I'm assuming thatt an albino has a very noticable red eye? To me thier eyes look dark, close inspection shows a ring around the iris?

 

 

I'm interested in what that green cock is, I've seen some birds on this forum that I really like, and was thinking of trying to breed something like that? I'm gonna go and have a look and see if I can find a picture.

 

okay, Just been on your site, he's a type 2 yellow face, He was a lot bluer last year when I bought him and his brother. (Brother and one of my old hens blue pied daughters, have a clutch at the moment. I'll grab him and have a look under his wings tomorrow (Just for my education!) When I'm in the cage with him, I can see the blue shadings through him.

 

So, My old hen, has Blue pieds, greys and grey pieds, by a blue cock with grey shadings in him? one of her blue pieds daughter has just hatched a clutch by (Hopefully) a type 2 yellow face, what am I likely to be getting?

 

Is there a colour called Rainbow?

 

okay, just rereading your site on the colours, I'll check under the wing tomorrow and maybe post a picture? I'm not certain now.

 

 

 

What would I need to do to breed something like this?

okay, grabbed bird, They are blue under the wings, so type 2 yellow faces? one of the cocks looks very green, I would have said a normal green? but he is blue uner the wing, on the wing? I can't get pics at the moment, (Can't hold bird, open wing and take photo!, ) Hopefully someone will be around later today to give me a hand to take a photo?

Mum reminds me of one of mine - Sky. She is top center in my signature.

 

I don't see the yellowface though, nerwen. Just looks like green veggie stains to me. To get one like Rainbow (that you posted above) I think must take some luck because I've never seen another like him. He was a dilute goldenface type 2 opaline clearflight pied, color either cobalt or mauve - it was hard to tell. His backside was a seafoam green across the shoulders and wings with a bright slatey-blue patch of feathers on the rump. His tail and flights were pure white, and the shell markings on his wings were a faint grey. I miss him.

 

There is a color mutation called rainbow, technically it is a type 2 yellowface opaline whitewing blue. Here is a link to a site from a breeder of rainbows.

 

As far as what you will likely get from your type 2 yellowface pairing, it depends in part on what color face blue daughter has. If both birds are yellowfaces, you should get yellowfaces, normal whitefaces, and double factor yellowfaces - which appear to have whitefaces. If only dad is yellowface and mom is normal whiteface, all babies should have yellow faces, as that is dominant over normal whiteface in blue series birds.

Edited September 6, 200618 yr by Rainbow

Is white dominant?

 

Is it? Would two white birds always give white babies? What else?

I will take a stab at this I like the opportunity to better myself , I know I will be corrected if incorrect.

 

White is not dominant gene it is the base color of a budgie with the yellow erased.

 

In simple terms there is a gene that simply erases all the marking and color from the budgies body either leaving it completely yellow based or white based.

 

Now the albino gene (the white budgie with red eyes), is sex linked. So if a ino female (will always be visually white) and to have a visually white male he need to have carry 2 ino genes. If you want the explained why it goes into the x and y chromosones. If two visually albinos mate all they will have is albino babies.

 

now if you are talking about Dark Eyed Clear White it is a different story because the DEC is actually a clearflight pied and a recessive pied budgie and it mixes it up a bit. If you bred 2 DEC you would have 75% chance of DEC and 25% of recessive pieds.

 

I hope I haven't confused you (Laughing out loud) because there is Double Factor Spangles too.

okay rip's out hair with all different question

 

back to the first issue of the white birds, if as you have now told us the eyes are dark it rules out albinos (yes thay have very strong red eyes like a red pen sort of colour) and there are iris rings appearing. Which give us the answer of: Double Factor Spangles. Very stunning birds, they are both blue lined birds and when matched to anything but another DF spangle all the young will be a single factor spangle which is what my Freckle is.

 

Your 'green' male, I'm glad my site helped to work out he is a yellowface type two like you thought, see even I can be tricked with these birds.

 

white birds are blue lined birds and are recessive like the blue gene to green birds.

 

Albinos are bird with the Ino gene PLUS the blue gene. There isn't ONE gene that removed both the yelllow and blue from a birds feathers (this is what I think Lovely meant to say)

If only dad is yellowface and mom is normal whiteface, all babies should have yellow faces, as that is dominant over normal whiteface in blue series birds.

 

okay now I'm seriously confused, I've printed out stuff of nerwins site, and will sit down and re read it all, I'll try to take some clearer pics of the various birds. I'm not understanding a lot of this, and would like to? I'll post some pics, or a link to my photobucket site at some stage, and hopefully if the different birds are identified and the why that bird is called that colour, I will eventually make sense of it all.

 

I would like to thank you all for your patience and help with this confusing subject.

I don't see the yellowface though, nerwen. Just looks like green veggie stains to me.

 

I'm not talking about the one on the tree limb ( the grey pied) I'm meaning the one in the box with the babies. You can't really see the head but the bit you can looks yellowish.

Unless the white DEC's are related I'd be inclined to breed them together!

White & yellow birds are my favourites, even the lacewing white & yellows.

I don't see the yellowface though, nerwen. Just looks like green veggie stains to me.

 

I'm not talking about the one on the tree limb ( the grey pied) I'm meaning the one in the box with the babies. You can't really see the head but the bit you can looks yellowish.

 

That's the one I was talking about, the one in the nest box. I couldn't see any yellow. I thought it was food stains because it looks green to me.

Edited September 6, 200618 yr by Rainbow