thanks! Man, the questions keep popping up... theres a window behind Sammy's cage, and during the day I open the blinds so he can see outside. When he sees other birds, he gets VERY vocal, chirping loudly etc, then FREAKS out trying to get out of the cage, apparently trying to get to them. Finally when they are gone, he chirps very very sadly, chirps for me to help him up or jumps up himself and sits on his perch all sad looking for a bit, chirping kinda sadly here and there. He snaps out of it after about 30 minutes. Should I keep the blinds up or put them down?

 

By The Way he loves "Alice Cooper - Poison" :rip: He gets very vocal and happy, chirping, singing, swininging on his swing, etc when I play it for him :-D

if you find it upsets him open them 1/2 way where he can get the light but not see the birds. Pretty used to do that too.

Alright, ty! did so, hes not freaking now! But he wants nothing to do with me now, is still highly interested in the window.

 

Take that baxk, after i posted that he started flipping out again

Edited July 18, 200618 yr by Jaywire

with to down it will pass...he will then be interested in you again :rip:

He's STILL interested in the window, even with the blinds down and practically closed all the way. Sits there and tries getting out of his cage towards the window.

 

Also, it sometimes he'll like... hmm.. "lay" while hes on his perch. basically, hes standing but completely horizontal, head down, and hes looking above him. He'll slowly come back up.

 

My mom says while I'm at work, he plays with his toys and chirps and has a great time. When I get home, he just sits there, gets on his swing and swings, chirps to my music, but doesnt play with his toys. Any reason as to why hes different?

 

Also, he's stretching a bit more often and poofing up and 'chewing' or kneeding around on his lower back/wing/under wing area

 

He's becoming increasingly less sociable and wants nothing to do with me anymore. its a fight to get him on my finger! He doesnt freak when i wak up to his cage, doesnt freak when i put my hand in his cage, but when i go up to him with my finger he moves away, eventually desperatley climbing around the bars of the cage. He doesnt run from my hand, just my finger. So i quit, he calms down and gets on his perch and sits there. What could be causing this sudden pulling away? Seeing the other birds? The first couple days he was wonderful. Now hes getting less sociable and less playful. Maybe he's moulting? I noticed he's kneeding alot it seems.

Edited July 19, 200618 yr by Jaywire

Preening is normal. I would leave Sammy alone for awhile. I remember I freaked out Woodie the first few days I had her. Luckily, she grew to trust me and would after some time, sit on my finger and chatter away. Take your time with Sammy. He's a young bird and of course, he would see birds flying and want to join them. I haven't had that kind of trouble with mine. Leave the blinds partially open to leave light and mostly shade for them. What do you mean by "kneeding"? He'll chill out after awhile, he's just been freaked out of his cute little head. After some moments of that, it's best to let him alone and not increase his anxiety by finger training again. That's my take on it.

Thats it, preening. IDK why i thought kneeding (Laughing out loud). And he wanted out of his cage a few minutes ago, so I opened it up. After playing his favorite song a bit and coaxing with Millet, he came flkying out right onto my arm. he jumped off onto the floor and walked around a bit, then fluttered up to my bed wqhere i put out my finger and said "UP!". He climbed up, I took him really high (as ive read to do when outside-cage training) and he looked around and chirped. I slowly took him to his cage and talked softlyt to him, he jumped off onto his bars when i got to his cage and he climbed down to his entrance and got in.

I think the first few days they are in shock and don't move because they don't know what to do and they they realize they will be there for awhile and decide to see if they can now get away (Laughing out loud), but with a continued building of trust through different training techinques he will be okay

He's kinda... in a 'meh' mood. Quiet, not really scared of my hand, just really neutral. I think he finally realized "Well.. wow, this is my new home. No escaping it"

 

A bit off topic of bonding: My friend has 2 keets. He hand trained one when he got it a year ago but never bothered with the other, and NEVER pays any attention to them. The birds will start chirping to each other and he'll throw pillows at the cage etc to shut them up. He said I could have the hand trained one... I'd love to take it, but i dont wanna leave that other one all alone to just live a lonely life. Should I take it, or try to get both, or leave it since I'm un-expereienced or other reasons?

 

I'll def. need a bigger cage, and keep them/it in quarentine for awhile until I get them trained, and hope for the best. 3 birds is alot :-D

 

What should I do? Tis a tough one...

How horrible, I would definitely find a new home for them that is not a life , if not with you someone else. They are acting like birds. That is my 2 cents...I won't go on.

 

If it was me I would take both if I was ready to take on the committment ONLY, but I wouldn't take one and leave the other alone that would be very unkind for both considering they are bonded.

Now he decided he doesnt want to get rid of them. I tried telling him he wasnt taking adequate care of them and he got mad, "What do you know? Youve only had yours a week!". Guess he never went to a good site such as this...

 

Sammy is driving me CRAZY. He's chewing his cuttlebone and mineral treat thing to bits, which doesnt bug me, its good for him. But oh man, he's trying to get out like crazy. He was shaking the cage earlier, had it MOVING! Climbing all over, shaking it, knocking perches down, knocking toys down, taking his ladder and pulling it all over etc. He's just going insane since he saw that other bird... He's trying EVERYTHING to get out. Shaking the *** out of his food dishs, trying to get under the bars on the tray etc. It's driving me INSANE!! When should it pass?

 

He's also become VERY pulled away from me, runs from my hand and won't even sing for music.

 

I tried covering his cage and he instantly STOPPED and climbed on his swing and chirped a few times. I said "No, bad bird, bad sammy!" and he stopped and just sat there, I uncovered his cage after about 10 minutes and he's calm now.

Edited July 20, 200618 yr by Jaywire

Well birds do not know right from wrong he is being a bird and they do not understand discipline and throwing things at them, yelling at them does not make the issue better it just makes a frightenen bird who will lash out with bitting and cowering.

 

You need to take it slow, go to www.budgietalk.com and start the taming tips that are given also read about bird behavior. Budgies can be noisey especially with their acking and that is normal, we can't expect them to be quiet they are not. It can take a bird weeks to come around they are not like cats and dogs, they are little wild birds in our homes that we make as pets.

 

I would remove him where he can see other birds that upsets him, he was just pulled away from his family that is all he has ever know. Now you have to start building a bond with him and working with him through patiences.

 

 

I am sure others will agree and also give you excellent advice.

I never hit the cage or yelled at him, I just covered it up and said "Bad bird, bad sam" in a firm voice and covered up his cage for a few minutes. It calmed him down and he hasnt gone crazy trying to get out since. After I uncovered it and he was calm, he even got on my finger when I was fixing his toy out of nowhere. I reversed the blinds completely so only light gets through, no veiw of the outside. He seems to have calmed down quite a bit.

 

Only reason I covered the cage is I read somewhere that when budgies or any birds get way too loud or misbehave, to put them back in the cage is they are out, then cover it for 10 minutes. It'll calm them down, and it seems to have worked.

 

Also, I understand it can take weeks, I was only trying to figure out how long it might take to go away, and if there were ways to curb the behavior.

Which behavior the wanting to get out after the other birds? That won't go away if he continues to see them so out of mind out of side.

 

The acking and the loudness that is the way they are that doesn't go away either . I find that when I don't let out my 2 for a couple days for free time it gets worse, my goal between everything else here is to let them out daily for exercise and interaction outside of the cage with me. I interact all the time with during the day. Also acking usually happens when something upsets them so if you can figure it out but then sometimes they just ack.

 

Covering is a good way yes to calm them down I have done it with Pretty a couple times time but telling them no no is fruitless they don't get it.

Which behavior the wanting to get out after the other birds? That won't go away if he continues to see them so out of mind out of side.

 

The acking and the loudness that is the way they are that doesn't go away either . I find that when I don't let out my 2 for a couple days for free time it gets worse, my goal between everything else here is to let them out daily for exercise and interaction outside of the cage with me. I interact all the time with during the day. Also acking usually happens when something upsets them so if you can figure it out but then sometimes they just ack.

 

Covering is a good way yes to calm them down I have done it with Pretty a couple times time but telling them no no is fruitless they don't get it.

 

Ah, I see. Also, I havent had him ack ack or anything. He chirps and sings time to time to the radio, but no loudness at all. I better knock on wood though, I know he'll be quite vocal soon enough!

 

Edit1: I'm kinda aggrivated, i lost a week of progress in 5 minutes. He was eating some millet from my hand on his swing, and he stepped one foot on my hand, one on the swing. He finished it, then kinda freaked, started flapping and jumped back on his swing all the way. He turned around and jumped to his farthest back perch and refuses to move, sitting in the corner very withdrawn. Wants nothing to do with me at all, he freaks when I get near and climbs around the cage. I removed my hand, he immediatley gets back on his perch and sits there. I'm being as patient as I can. I stopped the finger training like I was. I try once a day, say "good sammy bird! good!" in a soft happy voice. He'll then get off, and I leave him alone. I still hand feed him as much as I can. He doesnt even want on his swing or even want to eat, NOTHING. Just sits in his corner :-S

 

Sorry if I'm getting annoying. I just have no clue what to do. Everything is getting really confusing... One minute hes happy and sociable, wants to eat from my hand, sing, chirp, swing etc and the next hes unsociable and grumpy, just wants in the corner or on his middle perch.

 

Edit2: Well, the above edits are prolly just me in a bad mood, today wasnt a good day and I have a short fuse right now heh. But the whole mood changes are true. Should I leave him completely alone for like 2 or 3 days or what? The first few days were awesome, but the past few days have been like... completely crazy. Mood swings, craziness, loss of progress from first few days etc...

 

Any help? Can someone give me a straight answer on what to do? All your advice has been wondeful but I'm having trouble placing it in this situation. Thanks!

Edited July 21, 200618 yr by Jaywire

continue working with the taming process but in short sessions, so say 2 15 min sessions a day, once in the AM and once in the PM or whatever your schedule allows. No don't leave him alone for 2 days you may want to step it down a bit and not do any finger taming just be with him and talk to him etc..

 

He is confused as much as you are and trying to get used to a new place, a person who is not a bird, and everything in general.

Alright ty! I'm just kinda wondering how he was getting really good the first couple days, and out of nowhere that training went out the window. Oh well, I guess thats how it'll go. I'll talk to him etc :-) Should I just stand by his cage and talk to him or put my hand in the cage and talk, maybe feed some millet?

something could have frightened him the first few days and the birds flying around too, who knows birds are hard to figure out sometimes.

 

Keep your cage at eye level no higher or lower and talk with him for a couple days and try and feed millet through the cage bars, first make him comfortable with your presence outside of the cage and then you can restart with finger taming . Remember your hand is as big as him if something that big was coming toward you and you didn't know if it was going to harm you or be nice to you what would you do .

He'll eat millet from my hand, but then he'll freak out randomly and go into his corner and wont do anything... so I guess I'll start over which really kills me after a week of progress. Thanks!

I just have to update :-D I was at the pet store and I saw some budgies, so I looked, and my eyes INSTANTLY went to this one. He was extremely active, interested in what I was doing, etc. I ended up buying him and a huge cage, hes in quarentine while I train them etc.

 

Hes beautiful :-D

 

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6296/dsc00373jn1.jpg

 

 

 

 

He was scared out of his mind at first, but he finally got some guts and climbed up on a perch. He's doing fine now, he's making these neat sounding... gerbil noises, like.. hard to describe. Maybe a warble?

 

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/7578/dsc00368bw9.jpg

 

 

Heres Sammy, thanks to lovey hes really improving, fast actually. This morning he was skittish and ran from my hand, so I left him alone for a bit but stayed in the room, looked over and talked to him etc. About 30 minutes later I got eye level and talked to him about 20 minutes. Stopped, repeated about an hour later. Now, he's eating millet from my hand and doesnt even flinch or move when I put my hand by him, just kinda checks it out. I tried to get him on my finger but he moved down the perch so i left him alone, stopped, continued talking to him. The other one I'm letting settle. I talked to him some, but overall I'm just letting him watch me etc.

Edited July 22, 200618 yr by Rainbow

Awe great to hear about Sammy, now he is younger then the one you just got from the pet store so you know. Why because he has the baby lines, the stance and his cere is still pinkish blue so he is under 4 months. Keep working with Sammy and taking it slow he will may tame faster then the new one but who knows .

 

Proud that you quarantine and keep him in a different room too. So many people neglect that one and his cage looks awesome is it similar to Sammy but bigger? What are the dimensions do you have a full shot? Would love to see it .

 

He is older his cere is a very deep blue so he is probably almost 6 months old maybe older because he doesn't have the baby bar lines that run down to the cere. Do the same training with him and I wouldn't intro them even after the 30 days until you are satisified with the taming of both of them. Does he have a name? Oh yes the warbling you here is very common in males .

I bought the big new cage and put Sammy in it, put the new one in Sammy's old cage. I'm not quite sure on Dimensions, but its a big one. The new one doesnt have a name yet, I just call him pretty birdy for the time being. I have a full shot, right here:

 

http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/526/dsc00376xc7.jpg

 

 

 

Because the new ones older, will he be harder to tame? He isn't deathly afraid of me but he sure don't like my hand. I went to fix a toy and he went to the farthest corner hehe. I'll let them both get a good niht of sleep and see how they are adjusting tomorrow.

 

The thing about seperate rooms. They are'nt in seperate rooms, because my parents have no intention of letting a bird in any other room of the house hehe. I have Sammy at eye level with me, but the new ones above me o my desk. Yeah, inadequate spot. I'm working on it though! :-) What exactly will it hurt if hes not at eye level with me, also what will it hurt if they are in the same room? Should i block there views of each other?

Edited July 22, 200618 yr by Rainbow

You know I can't say if he will be harder to tame, I think time will tell to be honest you know. Tell me how he is after a week let him settle.

 

Since you can't keep them in separate rooms, I would put across the room if so but where they can't see each other because that will drive them bananas. You already said Sammy was going nuts other birds so this quaratine is going to be a long one because they are going to start calling each other back and forth and back and forth. Maybe you could ask your parents just 30 days 1 in another room if not then that is what you will be dealing with and it can break you down. Telling the truth because Merlin and Pretty would do it.

 

If he is above you then it gain him the control advantage and if you have him below you he feels like a prey and you are the predatory that is why eye level is always best. If you notice when they get tamer they will always run up to your eye level never above or below especially if they peck your nose , Pretty started that - cute pecking nothing hurtful.

 

Hope that helps.

Alright, thanks!! :-D I'll do that. Also, thanks for the advice :-)

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