I know we have many discussions on here about yellowface in the past. I must say this mutation continues to confuse me.

 

I thought that if a budgies colour was an aqua (turquoise) it was a YF2. And the reason is because the yellow was bleeding into the body turning the blue into the turquoise colour. The yf1 had yellow only on the face and the body remained sky blue?

 

But I have a recessive pied who definately has yellow bleeding into the body, but the colour remains cobalt.

 

So....

I'm confused.

YF2 gene can wash all over the body or only parts of the body

I would think that yellow has not yet bleed into the blue but has into the white part of your recessive pied.

 

Has he had his first moult yet because it will diffuse more.

 

after the first molt at 3 months of age, the yellow diffuses into the body color and creates a new color quoted from http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_co...html#yellowface

Genetically we call the type II a parblue when it occurs in a blue bird. There is an other type of Yellowface which is discribed as a goldernface parblue. The goldenface is more "Buttercup" than the type I or Type II.

 

 

 

 

Note for show budgies: type II and Goldenface is marked down on the bench.

with recessived they might not have the blue around the chest area to give the 'green' look that you would find on a normal YF. The fact that the yellow has bleed into the body of the bird at all marks it as a Type 2. If the body of the bird had remained white with the yellow only on the fact then it would be a type 1. Does that make sence? As lovey said more moults later could/will make the yellow travel down more and possible turn the blue greenish.

Recessive Pied are known to have two base colours. Green which the body is yellow and usually green patches and Blue which the body colour is infact white. To this you can have sky, cobalt, mouve and greys patches. (Also Violets)

Shawna, he sounds type 2. It sounds like instead of having a yellow face with a white and blue body, he has a yellow face, yellowish body, and cobalt blue on him - is that right? If so he is type 2.

Well the bird I'm talking about is Romeo. Below you see him as I first got him. Yellow on face and tips of wing feathers. Now the yellow is almost covering the entire body. He has had his first moult. In the second picture you can see the yellow in his chest. But his blue obviously still very blue

 

 

I also have other yellowfaces. You can see my creamino female in the first picture with Romeo. She must be a YF2 because she has yellow all over now too (3rd picture).

 

And then there are Star and Wylie. Both in my mind are the aqua(turquoise) colour so I thought YF2 for Star and Goldenface for Wylie. But Star's yellow definately stops at her face. Wylie is much darker and the yellow is definately bleeding and turning the aqua into almost a green (but not in the same sense as Bea's Ozzy who I think is a goldenface).

 

Sylvester is also a YF - 2 I'm assuming. He reminds me so much of Wylie but of course he is dilute.

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And then there is little Max. He has had his first moult and his mauve is turning greenish as his yellow bleeds down. First picture is when I first got Max.

 

So are all of my birds YF2s?

Edited July 15, 200618 yr by Rainbow

Yes I would say all YF2

looks like it

All your birds are type 2's. I love them, they are all so individual looking. Romeo and your female might get even more yellow with the next molt, but I'm not sure. Do you remember my Sunny? In the nest box I thought I had another white bird, although when he fledged I could see he was really tinged yellow. After the first molt though, he was very yellow but his cobalt remained blue-it never tinged green. Hard to believe it is the same bird, isn't it?

 

Before 1st molt:

 

After 1st molt:

Breeding for Show, I don't want a type II. They are not judged well. In fact they are penilised because of the bleed.

 

Here is my type I (MUM)

Large Picture

 

And her daughter 43 days old

Large Picture

Edited July 15, 200618 yr by daz

Daz, they both look like type 2's on my screen. :ausb:

I say they should have a YF class doesn't matter about the bleed then just the shape and stance of bird is judged. Not that I know fully what is judged in a show (Laughing out loud).

LOL No rainbow they are type I. Nerwen they have a class for Yellowfaces. but the bleed is refered to as suffusion which on any show budgie is a penalty.

Edited July 16, 200618 yr by daz

They look like type 2's to me too, especially the mum.

Well if your birds are Type 1 Daz, then my Star must be a type 1 and all of my others type 2. The yellow is definately restricted to her face and the colour seems to turn white again before at the body feathers. She has white on the back of her head. She looks a lot like your mom bird but is opaline.

 

 

I don't care for show reasons because mine are just pets, I'm just really curious for learning how to properly ID. And because I find YF so confusing.

Edited July 15, 200618 yr by Shawna

(Laughing out loud) No rainbow they are type I. Nerwen they have a class for Yellowfaces. but the bleed is refered to as suffusion which on any show budgie is a penalty.

 

 

thanks for that info Daz, I will try to keep it in mind now, for some reason the show stuff keeps going in one ear and out the other

Edited July 16, 200618 yr by daz

Shawna,

 

Before I saw Daz's photos, I was going to disagree with some of the experts here by saying that Star is in fact a YF1 and the rest as YF2. now after seeing Daz's photos, I'm going to say that Star is definitely a YF1.

 

I have been after a Type 1 for sooo long, but for some reason, I keep seeing type 2 yellowface only.

Maybe the flash is making them look type 2. My Skittles looks like your hen and she is type 2. I thought any of the yellowface blues that looked turquoise were type two, because type ones would just be varying shades of blue with no green tones, and turquoise is greenish.

 

Type 2:

 

type 1: (scroll down about halfway)

http://kathylibby.tripod.com/id2.html

 

Unless you are using a different definition of type 1 and 2? I vaguely remember there being some discussion about that in a different thread some time ago. Daz, can you clarify?

Edited July 16, 200618 yr by Rainbow

I've noticed with all YF2, the easiest way to determine them is whether or not they wing patterns has yellow or white on them. If there are any sort of yellow colouring where the white should be, then it's a YF2. I've not seen a YF1 with yellow wing patterns where the white should be.

 

in the link that you gave Rainbow, the very last picture of the Yellowface1 is in fact a yellowface two but with graphics touch up to the chest area. If you look closer you can see that the chest blue are not of it's original colour but has been touched up to look like a YF2, but the wings are still yellow colour. Whereas the other two YF1 in the pics are original pics, and you can see that wings are in fact white, not yellow.

 

Just the same Shawna's Star, the yellow are only on the head and no where else, the wing patterns stay the true base colour which is white.

 

A very good example of a type II notice the Bleed into the body colour.

In show terms that motle effect is call the suffusion. That is why type II's are not good for Shows.

 

A budgerigar should be of full body colour. Exceptions, Pieds ect.

 

By the way a very beautiful bird.

Edited July 16, 200618 yr by daz

Daz, can't see the picture. Can you try to re-link it so I can get in my head the difference?

 

I've noticed with all YF2, the easiest way to determine them is whether or not they wing patterns has yellow or white on them. If there are any sort of yellow colouring where the white should be, then it's a YF2. I've not seen a YF1 with yellow wing patterns where the white should be.

 

in the link that you gave Rainbow, the very last picture of the Yellowface1 is in fact a yellowface two but with graphics touch up to the chest area. If you look closer you can see that the chest blue are not of it's original colour but has been touched up to look like a YF2, but the wings are still yellow colour. Whereas the other two YF1 in the pics are original pics, and you can see that wings are in fact white, not yellow.

 

Just the same Shawna's Star, the yellow are only on the head and no where else, the wing patterns stay the true base colour which is white.

 

I knew that third picture looked color enhanced, but never paid attention to the color of the wings. Good point about the wing patterns. I had not really paid attention to that. If that is the case, then Daz, your first bird is type 2 because the wings are yellow, and daughter is type 1. Daz, have you noticed about the wing edging before? All mine have the yellow edging to the wings, except my opaline. But I guess whether type one or type two the opalines will not show any head color to the wings so it may be harder to tell about them. This thread is becoming very informative!

Rainbow...The picture Daz's trying to show is a picture of the the webpage you linked to.

 

Wing edging.. that's the term for it.. I couldn't think of it before. Thanks.

 

I can't see the yellow on Daz's first bird. She looks YF1 to me. Although she does look cinnamonish to me, but it could be my monitor. May be the cinnamon colour in comparison the the black on the baby is making the white look yellowish?? meaning, the white not so defined.

 

Oh in the YF2 opaline series, the bird would have shades of green there as the yellow would bleed into the blue/grey on the wing and shoulder making it a shade of green. and also, you'll get more yellow edging towards the tips of the coverts feathers, and even the flight feathers eg... Bubble's new baby Bao, she's a YF2 Opaline. and a YF1 opaline would have the yellow face, but with blue or grey on the wing and shoulder.

 

In the YF2 Spangle series... the whole wings would be yellow with black edging (eg Bubble's Swift's YF2 babies), unlike the 'normal' spangle (without the YF2 gene) the wings are white with black edging (eg Blinkie). I personally haven't seen a YF1 Spangle yet, but my money is that the bird will look like a 'normal' spangle but with a yellowface.

Edited July 16, 200618 yr by Cheeta

Rainbow there is no yellow on the mothers wings. She is in fact a cinnamon :ausb:

 

I hadn't noticed the wing edges. I'll have a look tonight when I get home.

Oh wow. On my screen it looks like the feathers are edged in the same light yellow her face is. But it would be wonderful if you would take a look at the birds in your aviary and let us know about the wing edging colors. Do you mind?