Hey guys,

 

Since we got Rejy she's had a teary eye and a wrinkled brown cere. The guy at the petshop said it was because she was a female in season but shes had it for like 4 years now and I dunno. Everytime I've brought it up with Mum she just says if Rejy dosn't appaer ill in any other way its fine.

 

I've looked around for what it could be but so far the closest i've found is scaly face but its not like that. The scaly face always seems to be chalky white but this is dark brown and all wrinkled. I've tried to get a picture but Rejy's being evil. I just caught her today to have another look and she may be a he. Theres blue around the edges of the wrinkled bit on her cere.

 

Gah I feel soo embarrsed I know almost nill about birds, and just took my Mum's word for it that shes fine, I wouldve left it at that except I saw the blue bits and I don't think if shes a boy she should have wrinkled brown bits on her cere

 

I got some okay pics, they make it look worse then it is but oh well.

 

I read on one site that the treatment for scaly face is ivermectin? I can my hands on ivermectin easy as I just have to order another batch or i can use revolution which we have on hand, revolution is the same type of thing as ivermectin just cheaper (Laughing out loud). If i used ivermectin what dose is needed and is oral okay? I've got syringes and that.

 

 

Please don't hate me, I'm honestly very ingonorant about birds and i'm still just a kid, though thats not really an excuse.

 

Emma

 

How odd, I just ran a serach through google and crusty brown ceres do mean a female is in season. But they also say that a female has a tan or white cere hmmm odd. Still all the pics f scaly face I've seen not one looks like her. Would treating with ivermectin work as a preventative as well as a cure? Cos I think I'll order some and treat her just in case.

 

Emma

i cant tell you what that is but thats not what a female in season looks like and it doesnt look like scaley face. i think you should get her to a qualified avian vet as soon as you can to have a look at her. its not something normal as far as i know. maybe sombody else here might give you a better answer

Theres no possible way to get to an avian vet. Closest is almost 3 hours away.

 

I never planned on getting a budgie because there were no vets around, it was my auntie who surprised me with one. We live in the middle of no where, the closest vets are half an hour away and they do dogs, cats and horses. We have one vet who specialises in guinea pigs and rabbits but thats all, but I do know the cavy vet would happily give us a prescription of Baytril for an ill budgie but thats as far as they will go.

 

I've had a look around and a bottle of the Scatt treatment and a bottle of ivermectin are the same price and both have to be ordered. Which would be better to get her?

 

Emma

Edited June 3, 200619 yr by Rejysmum

Theres no possible way to get to an avian vet. Closest is almost 3 hours away.

 

I never planned on getting a budgie because there were no vets around, it was my auntie who surprised me with one. We live in the middle of no where, the closest vets are half an hour away and they do dogs, cats and horses. We have one vet who specialises in guinea pigs and rabbits but thats all, but I do know the cavy vet would happily give us a prescription of Baytril for an ill budgie but thats as far as they will go.

 

I've had a look around and a bottle of the Scatt treatment and a bottle of ivermectin are the same price and both have to be ordered. Which would be better to get her?

 

Emma

Scatt IS invermectin. If you use this treatment which is for scaly face use the one for birds. Revolution that you mentioned....isnt that for dogs and cats not birds ? Invermectin and Scatt are the spot on treatment between the birds shoulder blades not for oral use. It doesnt look like scaly face as there are noi visible tunnels on the beak and your photo is very clear. The wrinkly cere CAN be a bird in breeding season but the staining above the cere can represent a respiratory problem too. The eyes also dont look good. Maybe early stages of scaly face but couldnt be sure ? I think this one may need a proper diagnosis....if not an avain vet is there a bird specialist in your area that is well versed with bird ailments and can advise you ?

Edited June 3, 200619 yr by budgiebird

The closest thing to a bird specialist is the local pigeon racing people.

 

Revolution IS a dog/cat medicine but I've been using it on guinea pigs for years without any type of problem.

 

Ivermectin can be oral, injectable or spot on. You can buy it in any form.

 

This has been like this since we got her 4 years ago so if it was the early stages then she/he has been in the early stages for four years?

 

Should i just treat with ivermectin anyway?

 

With the blue around the edges does that make Rejy a Roja? or a Rejy? (Laughing out loud) (oh, I do realise the spellings are quite odd theres a looong story behind it basically Redgie and Roger (Laughing out loud))

 

Emma

The closest thing to a bird specialist is the local pigeon racing people.

 

Revolution IS a dog/cat medicine but I've been using it on guinea pigs for years without any type of problem.

 

Ivermectin can be oral, injectable or spot on. You can buy it in any form.

 

This has been like this since we got her 4 years ago so if it was the early stages then she/he has been in the early stages for four years?

 

Should i just treat with ivermectin anyway?

 

With the blue around the edges does that make Rejy a Roja? or a Rejy? LOL (oh, I do realise the spellings are quite odd theres a looong story behind it basically Redgie and Roger LOL)

 

Emma

If as you say " This has been like this since we got her 4 years ago so if it was the early stages then she/he has been in the early stages for four years? ".....then it is not scaly face.

My only concern with you using the dog/ cat version is getting the dosage right for a bird. As the one specifically for the bird is one drop per 30 gram bird being of a strength designed for birds....that one also makes them sleepy right after the dose.....I worry that your guessing a dose may be wrong. Also, only worth doing if it has scaly face, which is seems it has not. So I wouldn't dose this bird with your invermectin in this case. My guess is this bird has a crusty cere from older female in breeding condition not scaly face. She is definitely a hen. Some hens have a bluish tinge here and there.....but you do have a female. The colouration above the cere is usually a respiratory problem or is she just rubbing herself on a rusty section of cage ? Rust can be fatal in budgies so we try to avoid it in their cages. Just guessing here as we explore possibilites.

Edited June 3, 200619 yr by budgiebird

What should I do. we are planning to get a new budgie sometime this week, so obviosuly they'll be kept seperate but would Rejy be contagious? Cos i can guarantee if shes not given some type of treatment she's gonna stay like that.

 

Should i have a go at cleaning off her cere and eye? shs not a tame budgie but i can hold her so she can't bite me. She wont enjoy it one bit and will probably deafen me but yeah (Laughing out loud).

 

I've moved her inside, mainly because its too windy where her cage was and she was having trouble sitting on her perch but it wont matter if she gets a bit wet from being cleaned, its nice and warm inside.

 

So yeah, should i order ivermectin or not? and i need toi know if shes a boy or a gal (Laughing out loud), I was gonna get a same sex pair but if I dont know what he/she is... (Laughing out loud)

Oky doky then. I'll go over her cage, theres a slight posiblity their may be rust somehwere as it was a cheapo cage but it was teh biggest we could find. But the eye has been like that since we got her, maybe its just staining? Cos I've never seen it weep or her blink alot. The pet store she came from was atrocious

 

Emma

Edited June 3, 200619 yr by Rejysmum

She's a she and i don't think it'd do anything, treating her with ivermectin because that doesn't look like scaly face. I would definitely try to clean her up with a cotton bud and some warm water and then see if it comes back. If it does even a dog and cat vet would be better than none.

Girl YES. Her cere is fine. Her eye is a problem, maybe an irritation or allergy, or rubbing it on a perch that irritates maybe. An infection ? You may have to observe her behaviour to work out the eye problem. She wouldn't have scaly face or it would be a lot worse by now. I don't think she is contagious but you would still have to quarantine your next bird for at least 30 days when you get it. Another girl ?

Well good news is her cage must be powdercoated, no rust.

Bad news is the hanging part of her mirror is covered in rust, I've removed it much to Rejys dismay. Could she have got stained from rubbing up agianst it? she loves bashing the mirror and she often grabs the hanging chain so she would've been rubbing it often.

 

Ahh good to hear shes a gal, (Laughing out loud) I was getting worried. Hopefully a girl, theres some baby yellow faced sky blue hens and a mature reccessive pied grey hen that have caught my eye. not sure which i'll choose (Laughing out loud).

 

Emma

Edited June 3, 200619 yr by Rejysmum

Well good news is her cage must be powdercoated, no rust.

Bad news is the hanging part of her mirror is covered in rust, I've removed it much to Rejys dismay. Could she have got stained from rubbing up agianst it? she loves bashing the mirror and she often grabs the hanging chain so she would've been rubbing it often.

 

Ahh good to hear shes a gal, Lol I was getting worried. Hopefully a girl, theres some baby yellow faced sky blue hens and a mature reccessive pied grey hen that have caught my eye. not sure which i'll choose LOl.

 

Emma

Looks like the staining above the cere would be the rust then. Try to avoid rust at all costs as the bird could end up with heavy metal poisoning.

Okay doky now my ears are ringing. I couldnt get the staining off but I can say the skin underneath is nice and healthy and pink. her eye looks perfectly fine except for the staining. Rejy is moulting right now so perhaps the stained feathers will be replaced. i'm gald to know its nothing bad. I hate mites sooo much. They are the bane of my existance (Laughing out loud).

 

Thanks For your Help

Emma

The cere looks normal to me. The eye does not, but if it has been like that for 4 years I would guess it is some sort of skin irritation. Good thing you got the rusty mirror out. The staining above the cere could be from the mirror, or it could be normal from molting. My birds will get a bit of staining there when molting too, it always is gone when the molt is finished. I would just clean the area with a q-tip and warm water for now.

 

Please, please, PLEASE do not use Revolution on your bird! I believe Revolution is selamectin and not ivermectin, even though it is used for the same thing. At any rate, you have no way to control the dosage. Revolution is dosed based upon weight, and even if you used one drop from the one for small dogs/puppies or cats you would be grossly overdosing your bird. There is a huge difference between 30 grams and 5-15 lbs. It does not look like your bird has the mite that causes scaley face.

Edited June 4, 200619 yr by Rainbow

Dont worry havn't used the revolution. We are ordering some ivermectin, the pigs are due for a dose (Laughing out loud).

 

I've had a look at some old pics of her and in them she still has the odd eye but nothing over her cere. So its either from her mirror or her molt. Something else I though of is she loves to rub her head on the eucalyptus branches, perhaps those are staining her?

 

Emma