Finnie

P.S. It's good that she doesn't like mirrors. Mirrors are bad for their mental state.

I vote recessive pied male. I can't see the color well, and since it has a clear mantle, I think that speaks to opaline, but I can't see any other opaline indicators. (I'm just not that good. ) I think Smokey is a cobalt opaline dominant pied.

Hilly, I think you are meant to write Entry no 5 and Entry no 6. Is that how you want it, Splat? Any of us mods can go back and change the numbers if you would like. Finnie goes off to frantically search through all her crappy photos.....

Thank you Nubbly and Neville. I think I've got it now. Genetically it's the same mutation on the same allele as (Continental)Clearflight/Dutch pied. But because it looks distinctive, then it gets a distinctive name. Does that mean it has its own class at a show? I guess there is this lady in the U.S. who had a judge put hers into a different class. :lol: It took me a moment to get this! I guess it's cakes that I usually think of as frosted. I like that idea, GB! At least until I can memorize them all properly. Usually I get the Dutch and the Danish confused, and I can't figure out which one people are talking about. I think if I start stringing the Danish/Harlequin/recessive pied all together too, then I might finally be able to remember those, too. (I think learning that Australian Banded means Dominant Pied was easier for me, because it has the word Banded in it, which is a distinquishing feature of the dommies.) Thank you so much for this link! Reading that has really helped me to understand this, and clarify it in my mind. I liked it so much, that I've even added it to the links page of my website. okay, now to go slightly off on a tangent. GB, what do you mean by the following? I have a hen I bought about a year ago that this completely describes. She is white, has black eyes, no iris rings, no markings whatsoever, but she has a small amount of blue way down on her breast, and a bright blue rump. At first I had hoped that she was a dark eyed clear, but I was told that those don't get any color. So I've been figuring that she must just be a (very) poorly marked recessive pied. (Orange beak and pink feet) Is it possible that she is just a continental/clearflight/dutch pied?

I love this last batch. Now I have more favorites.

Was that what the book said? What is the name of the book/author? Just great! Now we get to add "Finnish" to the list. Did the book say how to produce this?

This one is my favorite!: Very nice work, GB, good camera or not. Your models are so cooperative!

I did some more searching, and I came up with this, which wasn't there the first time I searched. http://pets.dir.grou...e/message/14907 I agree with what Ken Yorke said about people making up new names for existing mutations. It's very frustrating when everyone uses different terms, and you're supposed to keep in your head which ones mean the same thing as each other, and which terms mean something different.

Someone was asking me about this (new/rare?) mutation, and doing a google search, I couldn't come up with anything concrete about it. I found where it was discussed on a couple of forums, including ours, but that mostly goes along the lines of "What is it?" "I don't know, never heard of it." I did find one place where Neville said it was a variation of Clearflight pied, but other sources thought it was a variation of recessive pied. The person who asked me gave me this link, and I said I would ask around on here, to see if any of our experienced show breeders know about it. http://www.budgeriga...k/frosted-pied/ I assume it is something completely different to a bird that shows "frosting" in its body color?

This fellow died after being attacked in the quarantine cage by another bird. Aw shoot! How very disappointing. I'm so sorry for you. Glad to hear you don't have to move your breeding room again.

I think you can safely rule out Saddleback. It's supposed to be extremely rare. And according to descriptions I could find, the grey marked areas turn to black markings further down the wings. There weren't too many images for it when I googled it, pretty much just the two found on this site: http://budgiesareawe...utations-6.html Those two photos turn up all over the place. I'm looking forward to hearing what the lady you board with has to say after she sees Pipsqueak in person.

You've gotten a lot of good advice about trying different vegetables. One thing I was going to suggest is to put a dish on the floor of the cage with some wet leaves on it. (Like collard greens, or spinach, etc) Then sit back and watch the show! I think it's pretty universal that budgies LOVE to rub themselves all over wet leaves. Then it's just a short step to them taking a nibble of the leaf... You can even clip the wet leaves to the bars of the cage, and watch them doing contortions up higher.

I had my suspicions about her age, everything I was reading about the head stripes, the cere, etc. Thanks And her iris rings. Welcome to the forum!

I agree with what Twisted said. But I was also wondering, which perch did you attach higher up? Because they will usually go to the highest place, whatever the perch type. Some of mine will even cling to toys and clothes pins, if they think it's in a better location. Another thing, sometimes when a budgie first gets to a new home, it goes straight to a spot and then freezes there for a day or two until it feels comfortable enough to start exploring. So it might not be that it prefers the one perch, it might just have decided it wasnt' about to start moving yet.

I found this link that lists it as suitable for aviaries: http://www.holisticbird.org/pages/eplants.htm#landscape There were other links, too, but this one was a dot org instead of a dot com, so I trust those a little better.

Thanks Splat, looking forward to conversing with other budgie breeders and learning new things. With regards to my birds, my understanding is that my light green spangle cock would be the one masking the ino gene as it is sex linked and the hen cannot mask it. My hen is a yellow double factor spangle, not lutino as she has the dark eyes. If she carried the ino gene she would show it with red eyes?? In the nest we have 3 x lutino(red eyes), 1 x Yellow DF Spangle(dark eyes) and 1 x Grey green spangle. Whether or not the hen were ino, she wouldn't cause it to show up in the chicks anyway, she could only make her sons be split for it. So it is definitely the dad who is split to ino. Oops! Forgot to add: Welcome to the forum, Rich.

If they are old enough to come out of the nest box, I don't think you will have any luck getting them to take a hand feeding from you. You haven't yet said their actual age. If they are out of the nest box, and you have taken away the father, then just take away the box, too, and leave them with their mother. Even if she doesn't feed them anymore, they will learn to eat by copying her. And with no mate and no box, the mom is probably safe with them. When I have a large clutch that is fledging, I put half the babies with the father, and half with the mother (no boxes in either cage). This seems to work fine.

I"m a couple of days late, but I'm so sorry for you about this loss, Dave.

Well this explains why so many times I can't tell if the down is white or grey!

Well, it seems like time just flies. The oldest chick went to his home today. I did get some more recent photos of the chicks, and a few things got cleared up. The fourth chick turned out to be opaline after all. And #4 and #6 are both definitely recessive pieds. As for the two oldest boys being dilutes, I'll wait to decide. But looking back at those earlier photos, the chicks are darker than that in real life. So they may be just regular greywing after all. Once Photobucket gets done uploading, I will start the photo adding process.... For chicks 1 and 2, I really don't know which photo is of which chick, so here are photos of either/or and both: One and two are the ones on the right. (On the left is chick 3. She looks extra pale, because she is both cinnamon AND greywing.) Same three again. Chick one IS a little bit darker than chick 2, but here I think it's just the bright lights that are washing the one out that is closer to the lamp. Here they are with mom Finnie between them. And here they are with chick 5, the yellowface. Chick 3 is pretty well represented above, so I'll move on to chick #4: That's chick #6 to the left of her, and dad Flynn, by the wall. Here's chick #5: And another one of chick #6:

im going to be obvious here and say .................. you could use rope ..... :lol: Hey Captzork, are you using predictive texting? You might want to edit a little better. (Would save us moderators from having to fix it for you.)

Oh, hey, sorry about that.

Jetsbudgie, this is uncalled for. No one sold her this bird, she bred it herself. The question was asked whether she had bought it, and you did not wait for her to give an answer. HOWEVER, I will say, Silva, that if you don't know how to hand raise a baby bird, you should NOT remove it from its parents. Learn what you are doing first, or else you endanger your chick's life.

I have heard that if there is a small hole, you can use a tiny dab of clear nail polish to seal it, and that could save the chick. But if you have a dent, with no hole, then I think it is just a matter of wait and see. I wouldn't hold out much hope, though. Whatever caused the dent might have addled the egg and put a stop to any further development. Maybe candle again in a few days to see what it looks like. But if you are continually upsetting the hen, and she is addling her eggs, then even if the chick is alive now, it might not survive three more weeks of this. It might be best to put breeding on hold until the disruptions are over, and then try again.

Good for you, Renee! With all you are learning and the measures you are taking, next year is BOUND to be better.