Ino

As Daniel Lutolf puts it, A hobby is for making pleasure and good feelings... What a breeder.

Hi Splat, I have been looking for a site that will help you out, the best one i have found to date is www.accelgen.com/Genomics.aspx Go down the page to Genomics... Another Way To View It.

Sorry Kaz, The word is COULD not chance. I keep trying to brush that insect thats on my screen.

For breeders that are interested in Avian Genetics, one site to go to is aviangenetics.com When i pressed on Basic Genetics and then on Genetic Myths, what did i read, well i'll leave it up to you to read. I would like to here your thoughts.

Please remember i have the word chance in my Topic starter, may be i should of put CHANCE. There is more in the Journal on Genes but we will leave it at that.

Here we go. Utilising Genomics Mate Allocation Selection of sires and how much of each sire to use within a herd is the major deciding factor in the rate of genetin gain. The allocation of individual sires to individual cows can, though, have an effect via inbreeding. Inbreeding causes a reduction in animal performance via "inbreeding depression" , this is especially so in fitness traits like fertility and survival. An economic value for each 1 per cent for inbreeding can be calculated. With this in mind, to optimise matings farmers can allocate sires to cows with the aim of maximising the equation of profit minus the inbreeding cost of the mating (profit in this case fefers to Australian Pofit Ranking (APR). Currently farmers manage inbreeding using pedigree informationand the assumption that animals get a random half of their genetics from each parent, and that full siblings for instance share on average 50 per cent of the same genes. Realistically, the actual percentage of the same genes shared by full siblings can vary in extreme cases from 100 per cent of the same genes (identical twins) to zero per cent (almost impossible in animal breeding). Genomic information for the selected sires and each cow in the herd could be matched to identify actually how similar each pair was rather than assuming similarity based on pedigree. This would significantly improve the prediction of the inbreeding of matings. In some cases it may mean a cow could be mated to a closely related sire because they are more different than pedigree indicates. It may also result in no mating because a sire and dam thought to be unrelated are more related than their pedigree indicates. Dr Jennie Pryce and Dr Ben Hayes, DPI, Victoria. P.S Gets you thinking. Holstein Journal, April - May, 2011.

Good to hear to from you all. Sorry, I was not having a go at you RIP. I just wrote what i read in the HOLSTEIN JOURNAL by Dr Jennie Pryce and Dr Ben Hayes of Victoria's DPI. I did not thick you could get a outcross from a brother and sister mating either.

Hi RIP, When you start talking about deformities you are getting into the process of EPIGENETICS. Genes that might be passed to the next generation in a switched-on or switched-off state.

I have been reading about Utilising Genomics in the latest Holstein Journal. We pair a full brother and sister together, Based on pedigree we are assuming that we are inbreeding, but with the genes make up of each we could be outcrossing. Also the same could be said about outcrossing on pedigree, the gene make up of each could make it inbreeding. Genetics in the Dairy World is moving at a very fast rate. I will be going to a Genomics Day in Melbourne on the 5th of May, will be very interesting.

Have got my first 2 Lutino chicks, just put rings on today. Have got another pair of Lutino's with 3 eggs to date. Also Sky Cock 50% (Chasemore) 50% (Sheppard & Flannagan) x Sky Hen 75% (Chasemore) 25% (Furness) with 7 eggs. Just paired (Chasemore Blue Dilute) with a Grey Hen (sister to the Sky Hen). Chicks will be 7/8 Chasemore bloodline. Ino

Thanks for that PT. Will see you there. Splat go to a Auction and not take home a bird :bliss: I might have to put a blind fold on you when we arrive. Ino

First chick hatched today in cage 5. Don Rixon Lutino Cock x Lutino Hen (Father x Daughter mating). Would anyone be going to Rockhampton Auction ?

Good luck to you Ino, there is nothing like, aiming for the top. In the case of the $20 & $30 birds,its what in there background breeding. A lot of $20 & $30 birds,might not advance your breeding at all. Spangles,help in a lot of cases, with the recessive breeds. at the same time when your starting out if you can get hold of the right breed 20 to 30 dollor birds you can be ahead for a bit and only needing to but more expencive birds when you see what it is your missing yes this is my first year and yes i have a small stud so need to have only good stock birds to start with yes my nests arnt regulated and i get the odd smaller bird but most my birds are of very good size and substance i have breed some lovley birds and from good stock must addmit some my birds i payed up to 80 but 100 is most i have payed then i relized my cheeper birds were producing my better stock so i prommised myself not to go over 50 ever again and less if possable intill i need that somehing special i also am cutting my stud right back to few good stock birds and then keeping best of best chicks and having to cull rest even if good as i have limited room and if im going to get any where i need to get a regulated size in my nests which im achiving this is my third time at pairing and im starting to know what to pair for rezults i need and intill i get their i wont be wasting loads on a top bird thats me though intill my birds are looking as good i havent been able to show as yet as my birds all blue rung but ive had some great feed back and im happy to say im proud of my outcomes nothing wrong with starting with cheeper birds but you must know or see back grounds and must beable to trust breeder selling you them to being honest i always like to see siblings annd perents unk antys if can ectra shows me if birds are prepotant and if hens are better in that line than cock ect we all got to start somewhere ino and going to a sheilds and seeing the birds benched meeting the breeders in person is all part of finding good quality birds at low cost sure some charge heaps but others do not if you be patiant and look you will always get just what you need and vishion at the price you like and dont ever feel you need to buy something once you seen it even if its cheep and mabe good back ground if it even has one thing you dont like or need as you will always end up selling it later Please don't get me wrong, I am not saying it is the thing to do. I am just saying, Peter has proved it can be done. Another thing that interest me from Peter's interview was, and I quote. My advice is, buy the bird, not the name! unquote.

Very nice birds Kaz. I can not THANK YOU enough for the breeder interviews you are posting. Merv

Hi Macka Hope to meet you a next years Geelong Auction. Did not get there this year. Would you know what lots 118 & 125 sold for ?.

Sorry Dave, no camera at the moment. They are Don Rixon and Ian Furness bloodlines. Got interested in Lutino's when staying at a mate's place in Gladston, Queensland. He took me to a man he knows that has been breeding Lutino's for about 20 years as a hobby only, but show type birds. All sold to the pet shop, over 100 every year. There were some very good birds. Hoping to get back up there this winter to bring some home.

Pairing for the 2010 season is under way. With only 6 breeding cages, I have decided to concentrate on my Lutino's with 3 Lutino pairs and 2 Lutino Cocks paired to Normal Hens. I found the article's on Daniel Lutolf and Peter Thurn very interesting. Daniel for his way of improving the recessive varieties by pairing them to Spangle and Peter for proving you can bred National winners with $20 and $30 birds. Thank you to every one concerned with all the interviews. Gives me plenty to think about.

448/07 has 4 chicks to date and 2625/06 has just been paired up. What is the best pairing for cinnamon markings Heath? Merv

I would like to know as well Pearce. I have started putting the seed from the floor of the cages on a patch of ground i have dug up. I was thinking of cutting the stalk off about 2 inches above the ground when the seed head is ready. Merv

I am asking about cinnamons because i am thinking of pairing these two birds this year. Dilute Blue Cock Cinnamon Grey Green Hen The Dilute Blue Cock had 5 chicks last year to a Normal Sky Hen, Cobalt Cock, Sky Cock, Opaline Sky Hen, Cinnamon Sky Hen and Cinnamon Cobalt Hen, happy with the cinnamon colour. I am just worried that if i pair him with the Cinnamon Grey Green Hen that the cinnamon will become to faded. I am hoping that Heath and or some other cinnamon breeders might share their knowledge with us.

Thanks Pearce, Splat and Kaz. Heath said he has got some very good chicks by a son of the Dilute Cock. I will have to go and have a look. I have 5 chicks (2 Cocks, 3 Hens) by the Dilute that are only 4-6 months old, very happy with them.

Sorry, I was thinking more to keep or get a good deep cinnamon colour and good body colour. I paired a Light Green Cinnamon Cock to a Grey Green Cinnamon Hen last year, got 2 chicks, Grey Cinnamon and Grey Green Cinnamon, their body colour and cinnamon markings are very light.

What is the best pairing if you want to bred Cinnamons? Cinnamon x Cinammon? Normal/Cinnamon x Cinnamon? What piaring have you got the best result from? Merv

Thanks Pearce. Here are some more birds i will be pairing up this year. Pair 1 Dilute Blue Cock HC3-389/06 2007 AOSV National Winner. Cinnamon Grey Green Hen HC3-329/06 Pair 2 Grey Green Cock BCV-2625/06 (Heath Chasemore) Cinnamon Grey Green Hen BCV-2255/08 (Sister to Cinnamon Sky Hen that has the chicks)

You are on to it Dave. I can see we will have some fun Dave. Have put some photos in my Breeding Journal, more to come.