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okay so what is it?

8 babies from these parents: Cock Hen 1 of these: 4 of these: 3 of these: Considering you can't get dilute clearwings (only clearwing split for dilute) anyone got any ideas?

Yep I was thinking Spangle = Hen, Lacewing well maybe it's the cock and it's just the photo that was making it look like a hen. Also look like MAYBE the lacewing is possibly opaline too judging by the "thumbprint" of clearer yellow on the wings which often happens with opalines. Need to see a shot from the back showing tail feather if possible. If it is cinnamon with a yellow colour flash near the quill then it's an Opaline Lacewing.

Hi Sophia Found a website that sells Ivomec Pour-On for Canada 250mL into Canada & the US. http://www.vetproductsdirect.com.au/usacad...c.asp?Ic=MSD110 Hope this helps you. 250mL is a lot of Ivomec so it would pay to buy with friends who have birds (or guinea pigs or rats who can also have this used on them).

Hmmmm....... Brownwing??????

Do you know what the potency is? For example .1% or .8% per ml or litre? Thank you.Today,someone gave me a little of something that's called a drench for chickens that's .8%/ml, but I'm afraid to use it as I don't know what it will do. The man said that he soaks his chicken's feet in it and the feet come back like new. He suggested I do the same with the budgie.Just bought some from our local CRT agent, Noromectin Pour-On for Cattle (generic Ivermecting brand exactly the same as Ivomec). 5mg/mL Ivermectin, I awlays ask for solvent based as there are some water based Pour-Ons out there and (my opinion only) I don't feel they get through the feathers quite as well.Have been using this type of pour-on for 6 years now and am very pleased with the results, NO scaley face at all, feather mites very rarely, worms your birds as well so you don't a seperate oral worming preparation. Elders, Landmark, CRT agents and other independant rural stores (NRI, AAIR etc) supply Ivomec Pour-On for Cattle (or a generic brand of the same active). In 250mL, 1L, 5L and 20L but the 250mL is more than enough

Olives cheek patch is a strong violet colour, grey greens (greys) have a steely blue/grey coloured cheek patch.

Well, far from a really experienced opinion actually as I have had no real experience with either lutes or violets but from what I would think...... Being a violet he has dark factor (cobalt plus violet factor) I would think being both a dark factor (which intensifies body colour) AND violet (which also intensifies body colour) you would have more of a chance of body colour suffusion in the lutes especially if they were dark factor plus the voilet. BUT then dark factor lutes with a clear body have a better yellow intensity generally too.... ANY Lutie breeders out there?????????? OR give it a go and tell us what happened!!!! Whatever you do even if you put him with a lutie hen you will have to wait for the next generation after to find out as you will only get split lute cocks and normal hens.

Is the drench kind okay to use-.8%/ml The drench form is not designed to be used topically (on the skin) and you can't dilute it in water so unless you know what to actually dilute it in stay away from it. The pour-on really is the only one that will be effective as a spot-on for budgies as it is designed to go through the hair and skin of cattle (or feathers in the case of budgies).

What a magnificent DF! Bought or bred......?

Best one to use in Aus is Ivomec Pour-On for cattle. Bayer make one too I think called Baymec. Eprinex Pour-On for cattle is also okay. One drop on the back of the neck. Do not use the oral sheep, cattle or horse products as they don't have the right solvents/surfactants etc to help the product tranfer through the feathers. The best way to go about Ivomec purchase is to buy the 500mL bottle (actually might be 250mL) and share it between a few different people who have birds. Make sure if you decant into another container that you write on the bottle what it is and it's expiry date etc, and then store the Ivomec away from light as light will destroy the effectivity of the product. Forgot to add that rural merchandise stores like Elders, Landmark, CRT, Farmworks etc are the best places to find this product. You might need to order in the smaller bottle if the store normally deals with large cattle herds they might have to get the small size in for you.

Looks to me like a old injury or he has rubbed it for some reason - note the new feathers growing on the site. Looking at the cere too it appears that he has just come out of poorer condition (old poor coloured layers of cere coming away to reveal nice blue cere of a bird hitting good condition). Could he have been bitten by another bird on that spot?

yep boys! if teabag does not work you can CAREFULLY trim silverster's feathers from around his eye with a small pair of scissors, sometimes it's just the feathers continually rubbing on the eye that perpetuates the eye irritation.

Ivermectin comes in many forms for sheep, cattle, dogs, horses etc. The right form for spot on treatment is the POUR-ON cattle formulation, not the oral sheep, cattle or horse formulations. The pour-on has the right surfactants and solvents for the active ingredient to get through the hair (in budgies case, feathers) and onto the skin. It treats intestinal worms by entering the skin, feather lice (reasonably well) and mites. Blood mites need re-treatment as they don't live on budgies just travel onto them and suck blood. You can use water soluble form for worming too but i have found it not so effective for scale and lice. Injectable form??????? Have seen it for sheep and cattle but not for birds unless there is a registered injectable form for birds in other countries. There are several different brands of Ivermectin too. Ivomec, Baymec, Eprinex etc etc etc all made by different companies since ivermectin came off patent a few years ago here in Australia. Using the cattle pour-on for budgies is obviously an off-label use and as such animal health companies that manufacture these products won't talk to you about it's use in budgies (they are unlikely to really know much about it anyway). Some vets will discuss it with you but then they often will want to sell their own products so won't talk about the pour-on application. All this aside, using the cattle pour-ons is easy and it works and it gives me an excuse to handle check and monitor all my birds once or twice a year. I have NO scale on my birds at all and have not done since I started this treatement several years ago. I personally have not had any birds show adverse reactions to the treatment (and I figure with the amount I sometimes drop on myself, I get a good worming too!). But for scale alone vasaline works well although it needs reapplication. Vasaline mixed with detol was the in thing when my mum was breeding budgies 30 years ago, that worked too. Anything that suffocated the mites in the holes that they have made (this is what we see as scale).

Fantastic! What a clever Squee! Wonderful results and your clicker timing is great! I've been clicker training my dogs for about 10 yrs and love that they love it so much.

Here are pics for you! I went a spaz and snapped others while I was in aviary too........ I do like taking birdie pics. okay full shot of grey girl. Full shot of opaline that beat her - remembering they were both UBC's (in UBC class) but this girl has started to break cap and is showing more feather than she had in the show. Yes neater wings (well I think neater tail carriage, as grey has tendency to hinge her tail more than drop her wings). Still prefer the grey but I do think this opaline is growing on nicely too...... Some other snaps taken today as well. This is my most favourite hen and probably close to the best bird in my aviary. Blue brother of the young grey hen that Kaz wants Happy with the quality of these '08 clearwings. This is actually the younger brother of the grey green opaline hen above.

Um no, first grey hen is the Schoemann/Gearing sort of lines but my breeding for around 5 yrs. I wonder at what point it becomes a House line? With the heavy wings....... I watched the judging and to be honest, this hen showed like a star and IMO (and yes it's just my opinion obviously) her wings might look not as neat as the one that beat her but her power and strength and all other aspects were much better. I guess my comment relates to how much is one fault worth compared to 60% type, 25% colour, 15% markings. So..... heavy secondaries is a listed fault but so is shallow or narrow mask and when you compare the 2 the grey has a magnificent depth of mask and the 1st place bird not as nice. The grey is BIG in comparison and length is part of the standard of perfection the first place bird average sized. The first place bird was opaline without a clear mantle. So what is a relative thing here. I guess what I am trying to say here is that I (personally) think it's complete folly to penalize a bird for one fault over and more "average" specimen that does not have something to pick on. I tend to think about what I would be promoting the breeder of said birds to keep working on and you would have to be nuts to disregard the grey hen over the one that beat it. But as always I temper these comments with - this is obviously just my personal opinion. A prime example was a few year ago when a very strong recessive pied WITHOUT the MAJORITY of it's primary flight feathers go chosen to represent WA at the Nationals. Here's me thinking "bloody strong bird but it's just about go NO flights". Well blow me down this bird came 5th in the Nationals - I nearly fell over but it taught me something important. In the standard missing flights is only a fault and this bird was strong enough to overcome the majority of this class without them. Theothers in front of it were clearly stronger bigger and more powerful examples of rec pieds. This showed me how important it is to look for the positives in a bird and to examine it's quality as a whole against it's competition. So fault judging for me is now pretty frustrating. Tell you what I'll take some photo's of them both and lets all have a look.

The one that's biting the c*&p out of your finger would be a hen right?!

Hey Pearce Very nice crested's you have there But seriously, nice pics and very nice cinnamon cobalt (or mauve?) baby.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......... how do I politely say......... NO.

Yes Kaz, she has a few admirers!!! John and Fran came for lunch recently and I had to frisk Fran to make sure she wasn't smuggling that grey baby out (budgie smuggling that is). I LOVE this bird and the blue brother is really lovely too (just not as good a photo of him) but funnily enough at the last show she was placed second to another of my UBC's who is nice enough but not of the same power and presence as this bird. When I politely asked why, the judge commented that she had a bit of a tendancy to drop her wings. Yep okay fair comment but at what point does a deduction for slightly dropped wings put this bird in second place to a clearly inferior bird......? If you look at it on a purely points based perspective this bird would have creamed it in in all other aspects, size, deportment (apart from SLIGHTLY dropped wings of course), mask depth, directional feather, overall length and size etc etc. Fault judging is a very frustrating thing.

Gina live near Bunbury, Western Australia. Breed Exhibition Budgies - Fallows, Lacewings, Clearwing, Blackeyes plus the usual Cinnamons, Normals, Opalines and a handful of Spangles.

Personally I really like the potential of the baby. It would be one I would hang onto and see how it develops.

Muller & Farrell (NSW) - Lacewing mother is the daughter of a 2nd place National bird (Victorian 2005 Nationals I think).Bugger!!! Thought I would sneak in without too many people recognising me

Yes, it does seem a very long way from Busselton - thankfully . Jut booked my flights and posted my registration off for Burnie so see you there Looking forward to not actually having to do anything (well, other than consume quite a few beverages)!