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Oh wei sorry to hear about your Teddy! It's unlikely that 1 treatment with Baytril will cause resistance - resistance is casued by frequent sub-lethal exposures to an antibacterial over a reasonable period of time (generally years). It's way more likely that what you are treating is NOT what is susceptable to Baytril in the first place. Hence the clavulox is also not working. But a broad spectrum is a vets best chance at getting what might be there but not always if it's an organism that is not susceptible. It's very likely that the anti-inflammitory reduced the inflamation caused by the birds reaction to bacterial (or whatever it is) infection - this is a great treatment if you are also treating the underlying infection (which the vet tried to do) but does not on it's own fix the problem - it just makes the bird feel, look and sound lots better. Because Teddy had an ivermec treatment you can count out airsac mites which is good. So the more likely choices left are: Psittacosis (chlamydia) - commonly presents with respiratory illness but also generally has poohey bum and sometimes gluey eyes but would be my first choice, but this usually needs other birds to transmit the disease. If you have bought in a new bird, handled different birds and then Teddy later without washing or if Teddy has been outside exposed to wild birds it's still a real possibility. If not then maybe not...... and yes different antibiotics (usually doxycycline or other tetracycline or derivatives) are used for this. Fungal or viral infection - seeing as you are having no response to antibiotic treatment a fungus or a virus may be responsible for the issue. Tumour affecting the airway (sorry) - the anti-inflammatories may well have reduced any swelling and allowed more easy breathing. Goitre (spelling....?) - lack of iodine causing swelling of the thyroid blocking the airways. The trouble is that there can be lots of different causes of respiratory disease in budgies. If you can afford to have it done a swab and/or blood test might be the best bet to determine WHAT you are actually dealling with so then the right choice in treatment can be made. In the meantime keep Teddy warm with a heat lamp or similar, ensure she is still eating and drinking, lower the perches so that she does not have to strain herself getting around (more movement needs more air!). Definitely agree that you should be getting back in touch with your vet asap. Good luck.

A green series bird CANNOT carry yellowface and blue at the same time. The yellowface genes are multiple alleles and as such a bird can only carry two genes at the same time. A green bird can be green/yellowface or green/blue. It's that simple. The bird that prompted this thread is a single factor Goldenface. You forgot the the Yellowface Mutant II - The yellow is paler than the Goldenface and is similar to the Yellowface Mutant I. Single factor birds shows suffusion after the moult same as the Goldenfaces but not as heavy. Double factored birds show less suffsuion. That photo of the Goldenface I believe has been tweaked to enhance the yellow thereby not making it an accurate representation of the variety and therefore should not be used to evaluate another bird. So how can you tell the difference between a YF1 and a YF2? Other than breeding results that is........ what are the visual give aways between the 2. Golden faces (Aussi YF) is pretty easy to determine but I've never been able to spot a difference between birds currently on the bench (unless they are all YF1 I suppose).

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Great sounds like he might be too much trouble for you!!!! He can come to my flights

Cocci treatment and fast if they are not already on it! Canker & Cocci can cause losses quickly and in numbers, mega much more slowly and usually one or two at a time. The bloody poo is an absolutely sure sign of an aggressive cocci infection as SW says. However, the more susecptable birds are those that have had little contact with the protozoa, and therefore have not (edit - missed a critical bit there) built up a natural immunity to the disease and those that hold up better have had exposure in the past and the chance to build up a sort of immunity to the organism. Although even birds that have an immunity can be overwhelmed by large numbers of oocycts (cocci eggs) in the environment. There are 2 different strains of cocci in budgies in Aus, one causes damage higher up in the gut and fewer bird losses. A more recently identified strain causes serious gut damage lower in the gut, with severe bleeding causing blood loss and death that way. This ones shows up with bloody poo or sometimes dark brown coloured poo (old blood in poo). WA had a run of it a few years ago. You will beat this okay! Others have gone through this too and have come out the other side okay. Big fingers crossed that your bird losses stop! Pointless culling your flock and starting again as cocci is very hardy and remains in the environment for a long time. Work in poutlry houses (chooks also get horror cocci problems when young) showed that even total removal of bedding and steam or flame treatment of broiler sheds would not remove all cocci oocycts. Also some level of oocycts was also preferable to allow a flock to build it's immunity as opposed to a clean flock as these would inevitably crash with cocci at around the 3 week of age mark when the numbers of oocycts built up enough from the small number left. Cocci reproduction works exponentially so the oocyct numbers can build spectacularly in a short period of time.

Will try for pics next time!

I know where you live!!!!!!!!!! They might end up at G&G stud! Absolute beauties - but I might have to fight b-p for that grey

No macka I'm sorry I disagree with you on this one, as a show manager I would consider this bird to be a spangle dominant pied i.e. the combination of both varities in the visual form and I would expect my stewards to be able to recognise it as such too. And although on the matrix it would be benched as a dom pied due to the dom pied being the higher numbered class the bird still bears the features of both varieties.

Very definitely spangle markings. Have a look on the shoulder of the bird where the black markings are - they are definitely the anchor shape of spangle markings (black rimmed with black going into the quill of the feather) not normal markings which are close to solid. Compare these 2 with similar dom pied markings. Nerwen - hope you don't mind that I borrowed a picture of Ringo!

I ring as soon as I can (usually from around 6 days). Depends on the chick and how big their foot is. Some of my top lines I've needed to ring a lot earlier than my clearwings who have thin scungee feet. Just make sure that the ring will not slip back off - if it does with reasonable ease wait and try the next day.

Sorry Neville - the chick is definitely a spangle, but a spangle dom pied - the spangle markings are quite clearly visable on the wings.

Just got the visual image of a budgie in a trench coat......... dirty old man budgie.........

Hahaha poor Charley will be forced into submission I had some success yesterday! I put the same bowls out again and again put their silverbeet next to the bowls but this time I positioned the bowls so that each flights was very close to the other's bowl through the wire coz I noticed last time that although the stupid little buggers didn't want to go near their own bowls, they were VERY interested in the ones next door if they were bathing...... sigh. So this time 5 1/2 of the six flights took to the water and there was water and birds going everywhere!!!! They had a wow of a time all bar the older cock bird flight where only a few sturdy adventurers took to the bath. Hopefully next time will be 100% acceptance..... gee it was funny watching so many budgies trying to pile into their baths though.

Yes a lutino can mask any coloured gene. If you have a dominant pied lutino how do you tell? Only when you pair it to get normals will you be able to see what it is masking.

This is how I understand the YF mutations to be, but might be off the track here though so if someone has a more definitive answer please fill me in! Goldenface = Australian Yellowface - single factor produces strong yellow pigment and after first moult, strong suffusion through the body colour producing an almost green look. Double factor gives same strong yellow pigment with much reduced yellow body suffusion - stunning YF birds. Creamface = English YF - single factor produces light greamy yellow face with some body suffusion which is usually covered by body colour producing a softer slightly aqua colour in skyblues, in albino's, white DF's and white lacewings a soft yellow colour is evident over the entire body. Double factor does not show any yellow face and appears the same as a normal blue. Cosmo appears to be a single factor golden face (or in my book an Aussi Yellowface).

Yep ino to ino gives you ino's - no normals BUT 2x lutinos can produce a YF albino if they are both split for blue and one is carrying YF (hidden by the bright yellow lutino colour). If they bred a normal then it was either an extra marital affair or (like I do sometimes) change eggs and/or chicks around and then forget to record them....... doh! Leaving me scratching my head as to which one where was the emergency swap out.

One of our club members (Lin Pittick RIP) bred a halfsider (normal blue/green) and brought it to quite a few of our SWBC shows. We tried to tell him that they don't breed on but that didn't stop him trying Wishing now that I had taken some pics while I had the chance.

Cinnamon Opaline Grey Spangle Tha above birds grandfather - Opaline Grey Spangle And his Uncle - Dark Green Opaline Spangle Cinnamon Grey Green Spangle

What Heath said! Clearwing, clearwing, clearwing and blackeyed selfs. Over 6 years I took a line of petshop lacewings to a 4th place at the nats last year so IMO I don't think they are that hard to improve. I'm giving clearwings and blackeyes a bash now coz........... well, I think I'm nuts, that's why. The big issue with clearwings is the wing markings COMBINED with the size and style and the pin headedness just seems to be so hardwired into the variety, when you make in roads with that, you lose the clear wing markings grrrrrr.

I don't have a problem with vegies generally as I start when they are babies and baby budgies are way less neophobic then their older relatives but this was way too much for them Nipple drinkers in the flights - I posted a thread in the Aviray section that has pics of the new auto watering system, normal tube drinkers in the cabinets.

Not being a pied expert I'll have to bow to the greater experience in whether the pied baby is DF or SF...... but I think the possibility that it could happen is there if the DF spangle is indeed a dom pied as well. The proof will be in the breeding of the baby - if all it ever breeds are dom pieds you know it is DF, if it breeds normals AND dom pieds then it's SF.

Bloody ungrateful budgies...... After changing to a new aviary watering system to prevent my lovelies from pooing, swimming and generally making a big mess of their water bowls, I thought, considering it was nice and warm today, it might be nice to give my birdies a bath. I have 6 large plastic saucer things (things that fit under large pot plants to prevent the water draining away completely) so I filled these with around 2L of water plus a dash of apple cider vinegar and put them in the flights. I put them in at lunch time and as of 3pm no-one had been brave enough to go near them, so I put some silver beet leaves out nearby (my birds love their fruit and vege) which I though would encourage them to at least have a look. Well 2 out of six flights ended up having a great time - bath time at the zoo - with everyone trying to crowd in for a bath at the same time and much splashing and fluffing . The others had the odd semi-adventurous bird have a closer look only to chicken out without a real chance to discover the wonderful opportunity awaiting them. Needless to say, the 2 flights that found the fun were the baby flight and my clearwing flight (also with substantial numbers of young birds), all the older bird flights were way to worried to dive in..... mind you it's getting that way with me a bit too these day Damn neophobes......

Wow Shannon those are some very nice babies! I echo what Daz and splat said about that lovely normal green...... if I lived closer you would know where to come find him if he ever went missing!!!! Some nice clearwings I spied in the aviary too.

Oh that's horrible for you. Sorry to hear your story and I hope another lovely birdie comes your way in Dinozzo's memory.