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From the description AND the fact that you paired 2 cobalts together I would have suggested mauve. It's a funny dark slatey blue grey colour - often patchy too.

Hard work to tell sometimes especially with single factor violets. Normal dark greens can often have a blue hue around the rump and vent but in violet dark greens the blueish hue can extend further. In normal dark greens the cheek patch is a deep violet, in violets the violet changes the cheek patch to close to black. In the later photos Jen his cheek patches look reasonably violet - just goes to show the variation that can occur in photos, light and monitors I guess. Looking at these photo's I'd swing more strongly to dark green. Macka I DO agree with you and in 99% of the cases we seem to want to see violet, YF or whatever in genuinely quite normal greens, or call a skyblue a violet sky just because it has some dark blue opalecense around it's neck. In this case the blackish cheek patch in the initial photo indicates to me that there MIGHT be something else there. But a definitive answer can quite often only be found by further breeding. And I wholeheartedly agree with Dave too - it's interesting to see what other people see in different birds too. And might all learn more by discussing why we think a bird is a certain variety - an open and enquiring mind is a good thing when breeding birds.

Hey Jenn Is it just me and my strange cinnamon and olive seeing monitor or is his cheek patch almost black? (Apart from the white mottles from the spangle of course!). And personally I'd love to see a picture of his full front and his rump to be sure but happy enpugh to go with dark green on what i can see. And Finnie said it right - he is a real cutie.

Wont be getting to the Nationals quickly Dave...theres other greywing breeder doing it better than me and have been doing it longer. Who Kaz? The only full time greywing breeder in wa that I know is you. Other good greywings from wa from what I understand have come out of other varieties as recessive surprises. Well recent ones anyway. AND your greywing babies are looking pretty special.

Well many people have many opinions and not all of them are going to be the same. I find that we have a tendency here to see violet in every blue and yellow face in every green (hey but that's just the way I see it). Coupled with that many people do not breed olives least of all cinnamon olives. I would have firstly said she was a plain cinnamon grey green but from what I could see of her cheek patch (not much mind you) it looked to be violet and not steel blue - but it WAS hard to tell. So I still sway between cinnamon grey green and cinnamon olive. From the way I see it her markings are not really "distinctive" mauve markings more a mottled effect as you would see with any double dark factor, mauve OR olive. A case in point I have 2 different birds to show you - The first is a bird that is still in the nest and has not moulted out at all. He has a very very strong yellow mask and some of his chest feathers show up as alomst a purplely colour. If I took this with flash photo's or under different light conditions they would stand out even more. This IS a cinnamon olive. This next girl also shows a very strong yellow mask and mottled chest feathers but this time her chest feathers show almost a bluey grey colour. This IS a cinnamon grey green. Now let me show you actual YF2 birds. This first one has not yet started moulting and you can see how the yellow is very restricted to face only. You can see that there is little to no yellow on his wing markings and they appear to have a white ground colour at this stage. In contrast is his father who you can see has an aqua flush to him caused wholey by the heavier yellow suffusion coming through in his adult moult. His daughter above, will eventually carry just as much yellow as him once she moults. On dad you can JUST see the yellow tinge in the wing markings but you have to look for it - on his wing butts. Now here is something as close as I can get to a cinnamon YF2 mauve - A cinnamon opaline YF2 grey. okay she is grey so the body colour is not a patchy as you would expect from a mauve but colouring in cinnamon mauve and cinnamon grey is close - well close enough to compare for a YF2 anyway. Remember that she is adult so has her full yellow suffusion. AND here is her son from the last round, a cinnamon YF2 grey - okay again not mauve but also not moulted so not showing any of the yellow body suffusion of his mother and grey is as close as I could get to mauve - in the cinnamon form the mauve would look close but maybe a touch darker. Here you can't see any suffusion into the wing markings - that will happen as he moults. Golden faces (or Australian Yellowfaces) in comparison show very strong gold masks and frontals as young birds but have clean blue (or mauve, or grey, or cobalt - whatever) bodies. AS they moult into their adult plummage the strong yellow suffusion delevops and they end up looking ALMOST like a green (or grey green). There are plenty of pics of young golden face budgies around on this forum too.

it is the same as yellowface 2 also called Australian yellowface It's NOT the same as YF2 it is a seperate mutation called Golden Face or Australian Yellow Face. See here http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=27620

It can vary a bit Linda but some of mine are 3 months and sometimes a bit younger when they start showing head pins. If the albinos have no adault pin feathers showing and no iris ring they will be okay. You might have to make an assessment closer to the show.

How are the birds doing GB? Hope you are going okay with it all!

Damn an outbreak during breeding....... what a bummer! Both Canker treatment AND Psittacosis treatment can be done with birds in the breeding cabinets - Canker treatment is no issues at all but Doxycycline for Psittacosis can interfere with mineral absorbtion so you need to be careful about this. I believe that Rob Marshalls book has some outlines of what you need to add along with the Doxy to keep calcium uptake happening properly. Breeding is a stress and outbreaks of this nature are not uncommon, especially if a 45 day treatment is not done prior to breeding (sometimes even IF one is done and then a new bird is added sometime down the line). Good Luck with it GB - hope you have caught it in time not to lose too many birds as both Canker and Psittacosis can kill them quickly. From the sounds of the vet path tests psittacosis is what you will need to treat for initially, whilst keeping an eye out for any canker as well. Might pay to ask the vet how to treat for both at the same time if you find that you need to. "If you mix the doxy with Megamix you don't need to remove grit or anything and can give a continuous treatment without breaks." Just read that from Renee's post - that's what Rob Marshall recommends..........

Wow the grey is something else! Very very nice Splat!

Yes she is very young, I would say no more than a few weeks as she has no iris ring, her cere is not yet coloured (only just started going white) and her head barring in very prominent. And yes definietly a girl so to breed you are going to need a little boy for her! And yes with YF or Golden Face as well, when babies are this young the yellow is not spread much from the mask area. Once they moult out into adult plummage the yellow pigment intensifies right through the body colour too so in adult plummage sometimes its really hard to tell a golden face grey from a normal grey green. So if this girl was adult I would wholeheartedly agree with Cinnamon YF mauve but seeing as she is so young I don't believe that YF is a factor in this bird. She should start to moult out in a month or so - some of mine are start to moult around 3 months of age. Yes IF she were a Cinnamon YF2 mauve then without the YF2 she would be cinnamon mauve.

Male Opaline Grey Green Dilute

Nice babies there Dave. I particularly like the Grey green opaline (or cinnamon oplaine - couldn't tell). How is your breeding season going over all? (That's code for me not being able to be bothered to read the topic all the way through in it's new sucky format - unless I've changed some setting that I don't know about).....

How very cute. Pet budgies gotta be about the best things out. They are so smart and Rigel soulds like he's got ou well worked out!

Yes BUT not at this early age! Would love to see another photo of this bird ONCE it's moulted.

Photobucket hates everyone indescriminately!!!!

Cheek patch is not grey and mottled colour indicates olive rather than grey green. Not YF in my opinion babies this young DO NOT show this much suffusion. That comes in later after their moult. And sorry macka, not spangle. Cinnamon Olive.

Lucky Dave! I'm sure there is a reason you need to send me one like Quiche too, right Kaz!

Wow, lovely feather on these guys. They are pretty good looking babies!!!

Where are they????? There on the wings is where they are......... Sorry Kaz obviously where you see grey, Jen and I see brown. Even in the "what sex are they" pics I see cinnamon. A monitor thing huh ?? Quite possibly........

Where are they????? There on the wings is where they are......... Sorry Kaz obviously where you see grey, Jen and I see brown. Even in the "what sex are they" pics I see cinnamon.

I ummed and ahhed about it for a while. You do see markings in opalines just much finer than normals - his look kinda on the normal side but his tail has quite a colour flash down the middle but then I think rec pied can cause some grizzled markings and maybe that's all it is. Happy to concur that he is normal, happy to concur that he is opaline - mainly coz I can't quite make up my mind!

Hi Grant and Welcome On first glance I thought SHE might be a cinnamon grey green, however when i looked more closely her cheek patch (although difficult sto see) does appear violet and not grey so I'd pitch for cinnamon olive or MAYBE even cinnamon yf mauve but being young I would expect her body colour to appear more blue than green at this stage. So I'll stick with Cinnamon Olive for now.

Please tell me more about this "little" one - does it come out of a split pairing? Thanks Renee No he comes from a clearwing to clearwing pairing. His Dad is a clearwing I got from Lin Pittick (RIP) at his clearance auction as a UBC. I thought he looked to have a fair bit of potential and I was right. Father himself has matured beautifully but these guys are way bigger than him again. I've bred 2 full rounds from this pairing and the chicks from the previous round are nice as well just not a huge as these guys.

Noooooooooooooooooooooo....... that means I have to deal with Photobucket again.........<sob>. the only people who have trouble with photobucket either have their camera set wrong for piks too large or are on dial up Or are on dodgy satelite broadband that is currently shaped!!!!!!! HATE Photobucket - with a passion. Having said that though I managed to up load some pics (one at a time mind you) and the damn thing only crashed once so that's better than normal. So (just for Kaz) here are some pics taken today. Sky spangle from son of Cec's Grey nats winner to a related syndicate hen. Lovingly dubbed Titan. I have a nest full of these birds. This is from one of my normal/normal pairings (the pair laid a round of clear eggs first up so fostered a first lot, these are all their own) and they have 3x dark greens, 1x light green and a skyblue in the one nest and the dark greens are very nice so far. Another nice young lacewing. I am so pleased with how these guys have been breeding so far this year and 4th place nats boy and his wife have another 2 baby red eye chicks just hatched out. Of the 1 BES pairing I put down this year I have bred 3x BES babies. 2 stonkers and 1 average. 2 stonkers are a boy and a girl. This is the little girl who was the only hatchee this round. This is one of the young greys that i showed a while back (the one with the best feathering). It's nice to see that his feathering is getting longer too. You can see the length of the pins is better than the baby feathers. He did have a grey green sister too but she refused to feed herself and after a month of crop feeding still would not so she is not longer with us. However, this pairing has bred another 4 babies, most of them grey green and the majority of them are looking pretty good so far. Here are a couple below. I put Holy S&%t & Holy C%*p back into the show box again today. They were shown for a first and second Open UBC and Best UBC in Show at our last club show with the judge commenting that the bird that caught his eye in the show was Holy C#*p - but then I know he is something a bit special! And I do believe that Holy C#*p has even grown some more - didn't think that was possible. okay I have to admit that i've kinda lost track of where this nice hen came from. I THINK she is Titans older sister...............? And finally I have 2 of these enormous clearwings (I've called them Horse - interchangable between either of them). They look almost identical except i think one is a violet dark green and that one has less markings. The one shown here is the more heavily marked of the two. It's hard to see the size really but they are monsters. Forgot one! This is the opaline spangle hen I showed some time ago but i wanted to show the length of the adult feathering coming through. That bit of feather stuck off the side of her head is one of her adult feathers coming through. It's going to be amazing.