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Thanks Kaz...

If a dark eyed clear is paired to a recesive pied the result would be 50% recessive pied & 50% dark eyed clear. No normal/recessive pieds Neville you completely correct. My mistake. Here is a link to the pairings http://home.gil.com.au/~dwellsadsl/prbsinc..._eyed_clear.htm Thanks MB, It's good to be back

No Neville it is very clear She was a result of Pairing a Blue series DEC cock to a Recessive pied grey hen. The grey is simalar to that on the recessive pied. patchy

Got to look at all points. Beak, Eyes, Feet, Markings and Colourings. If someting doesn't "Fit" the books discription it could be a fault of nature. I have a DF Spangle Hen that looks like a DEC except for the Beak colouring. She doesn't have an iris ring.

Excelent post Kaz.. Can you check with Gary as I've been told that DF Spangle chicks are also born with plum eyes. I have DFs in the nest but with my eyes, I can see it.

It's great to breed that winner get it ready for the show and then find out on the day that you entered him in the wrong section. Happens at every show. So how do you know where to show that Spangle Opaline Cinnamonwing Shyblue Hen. ... In the Blue class? ... in the Cinnamon class? ... in the Opaline Class? ... In the Spangle class? Yes So can I show an Opaline Cinnamon in the Opaline Class ... yes! (for the nationals) Some Association have there own rules on this one. In SQ (South Queensland) there is a different section for Opaline Cinnamons it's the Opaline ASV. You can now download the Australian Standard from the ANBC Site. The Standard - Updated It doesn't have the pictorials which is only in the hard copy. It does come with the current upgrades that all Club Members should have. To decide were to put that bird, there is a matrix that we use. Primary Colours 1. Normal Green Series which include Light Green, Dark Green, Olive and Grey Green 2. Normal Blue Series which include Sky, Cobalt, Mauve and Grey 3. Black Eyed Self 4. Red Eyed Self which is the Albino and Lutino . 5. Clearwing 6. Greywing 7. Cinnamonwing 8. Spangle Double Factor. No Combiations of these Sections (1 - 8) are recognised. 9. Opaline but can have a combination of these sections. 3, 5, 6, 7 10. Clearbody But can have combinations of this section 9 11. Lacewing """" sections 9 12. Fallow """"""" sections 6, 9 13. Yellowface Blue """"" sections 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 14. Spangle """""" Sections 6, 7, 9, 12, 13 15. Dominant Pied """" Section 6, 7, 9, 12, 13, 14 16. Danish Recessive Pied """" Sections 6, 7, 9, 12, `13, 14 17 Any Other Standard Variety 18 Crested """"" 1, to 17 as above. So I would place a Yellowface Opaline Skyblue hen ..... in section 13 Yellowface. As said some regions have there own slight changes to the Sections and you have to be sure that you know them before entering. It is very disapointing geting wrong class with an outstanding bird... Added to FAQ, Click here for FAQ

okay enough torture. The first one , cock, is a dark eyed clear. He is a recessive variety as his beak is orange and his feet are pink. He has a pink cere and no iris ring so he can't be a DF Spangle who's beak and feet is grey, cere is blue and eyes with an iris ring. The other bird is a Dark eyed clear. His half sister. Both father was a Dark eyed clear. But for some reason she has the grey suffusion on the belly. (Nature is not perfect) The only place to show these birds in Australia is in the AOSV section. (All Other Standard Variety) The Cock bird has won at every show. As you can see from some of the photos he is as large or larger than my Recessives, and they give my normals a run for the money. I hope one day to breed a DEC that will win Best Cock in the section. They were very popular in the 50s and 60s until the the Albinos and Lutinos came in fashion. They were easier to breed than the DECs. There are not many like me that are trying to keep this variety going. They are not easy to breed and harder to breed to show standard. There is no place in the Australian Nationals for this variety.... (at the moment)

Can do Kaz. He is a black ring so would be go for next year's season. Sire is a Dave Ganzer Recessive Pied Light Green. Back ground has McMahon and Steven Mow and Capasso & Butters. The McMahon bird was DM1-008-02 Recessive Pied Light green. The Hen was the sister to the Champion Young Bird of Show at Sunshine Coast last year. That bird beat Dave's Dominant pied that went on to Win Last year's Nationals. So he has some good blood behind him.

I wanted Spangle Hens and Normal Hens But I only had Spangle / opaline Cocks , Spangle Opaline hens and Opaline Hens. So I know I had the building blocks. I paired the Cocks to the hens Spilt cocks throw 50% sex linked and 50% normals. The result was I got a percentage of Normal Hens and Spangle Hens.

Two interesting birds. The cock is a Recessive Pied Yellowface Skyblue. The hen is an Opaline Yellowface skyblue hen. Banding sugests dominant pied in their as well. Yellowface to Yellowface will give 50% Yellowface, 25% DF yellowface (Which is white faced) and 25% Normal which is white faced. The cocks should be split Opaline. All chicks will be split recessive. 50% of the chicks could be Dominant pied. All the base colour will be Blue.

Elly you did see grey on the belly. The hen has it. want to change your mind? Both Hen and Cock are the same variety.

There are a lot of questions on this subject. Can I pair these birds together? The answer is always going to be .. Yes. So long as they are male and female. Pairing birds is like cooking. You have ingredients that we put together to see what the out come is. Like cooking, sometimes it is not what you expect or what. If you want a cheese tart/cake you wouldn't mix Philly Cheese with Chilli sauce but you would if you want a great dip.. just add some chopped coriander to the dip and it's a winner The next question is … what would I get if I pair these two birds together? That depends on there back ground. Here is two examples. PR-348-07 This bird I would breed to a Spangle, a Double Factor Spangle or a Normal that was bred from a Spangle. 1W-016-08 This Bird I would never breed to a Spangle or a normal. I know this because I breed both cocks and know what their back grounds are. The first one was breed from a Spangle Grey Green / Opaline Cock to a Skyblue Hen. The bottom one was breed from a Recessive Pied Light Green Cock to a Spangle Opaline Grey Green Hen. He is split Recessive and Opaline so I don't want that gene filtering into my Spangle Line. He will be either paired to a Recessive Hen of some quality or go to Kaz's Place. You must keep good records of your birds and update them as necessary. For example the top Cock might be split Opaline. I don't know until one of his chicks is hatched as an opaline. So at that time I will update his records.

thats okay, I agree with you on the recessive pied though the cere is still pink so it is a male recessive pied Elly why did you say Recessive Pied? .. and why MB did you say Dark eyed clear? I Should say he is a Single factor but you can get him as a double factor..

I thought you might say Recessive Pied. So I got a photo of one with him. This is his Half sister. No he's not a recessive pied.

I'll go and get a shot of the back.

I have three genes. One is dominant and the other two are recessive. If I am paired to a normal I will produce a percentage of dominants / recessives. If I am paired to a recessive I will produce a percentage of recessives, a percentage of normal / recessives and a percentage of myself. I was very popular in the fifties and sixties but now becoming rare. Can I be shown in a show in Australia and if so under what section? .... Who am I.

I have to agree with this guy..

Good Article Kaz..

Sounds like a good idea.

Frozen food is very good. I have heard of a few breeders using it. just make sure it is not too cold when you give it to them.

All good advice... Calcium is a good suppliment durig breeding time but with out Vitamin D3 the body can't asorb it. Phosphorus is a good aditive but too much causes an imbalance in the heart rate. These things are only a few of the many and varied things that need understanding before considering a good supplimentry plan to the natural diet. Start on good fruit and vegies first before delving into suppliments... untill you know or understand what you arte doing..

The colour Grey is based on Blue so putting a blue to her would give you Blues and Greys. Puting her to a green would give greys, grey green, green and blues (if the green is split blue) - (Most are)

I mix my own, that way I know what they are getting.

Nothing beats a good diet. Suppliments are just that..... To suppliment the diet, not to replace it.