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Am out feeding and cleaning up the Avaries, and looking towards next years planned Breeding, and have decided to sell some fo my flock. Now this is where I am going to ask for a bit of advice. As some of you know I have what I call the 2 Summers, Creaminos from one Clutch, and in another I have an Albino & Creamino. Now remembering reply to one of my former queries I have held onto the Inos allowing birds to bring out differnt colours. Now the 2 Summers are rather small compared to a lot of the others. (I beleive they come from the same egg, as the day they hatched there was only one opened shell in the nest) and I have sort of decided which I will sell, but would it be advisable to keep the Inos to see what comes from them in late 2009/ early2010. I wish to experiment to widen my knowledge of breeding, but at the same time am not out to breed specific colours, just healthy Birds. . The single photos are of Birds I plan to keep, the overview are of the iffy butty's

Thank you for your help, it is easier for me to understand now, just have to learn to put it all together. I think I may have another one at least like "Esmarelda" (Poor Baby having to carry a girls name around) but I ain't changing it now.Now can you help me with Bronco as to what he is, I felt his markings were so different to any of the others I have added one more photo, the others being at the start of my topic.

What does the YF2 Spangle recessive pied mean. The YF I assume means yellow face so do you have the patience to explain to this dummy how the rest comes about. I have read the very infromative article about colour discriptions started in 2006, I am so dumb could not understand how to put it all together to attempt to work on mine. Also one other of my birds intrigues me, I call him Bronco

This Budgie has been the baine of my life. Purchased on the 30th Jan 08, I was assured it was a female. Until today we have been playing a it's a boy it's Girl. This morning for the first time I see the start of the male cere forming in colour. He still has the baby big eyes. Also adding overview of my hens and youngin's

Bought at approx 6 weeks on the 30th January she/he has me confused. We still have the big baby eyes and the pale cere. A couple of weeks ago I caught Her/him mating with one of the aviary mates, they are sticking together but have not seen any more goings on

Meet my newest baby and his Mum. He/she is the only one to survive from her 1st clutch. She laid 4 eggs 2 blanks and 1 died at 2 days. She is not a perfect Budgie, I kinda acquired her, she does not fly and cannot keep her tail feathers. I have had her on a year, the first attempt at mating produced 4 eggs all blank so I put her with another Cock and ended up with O.J named after the Ridgeback X who caught Mum when she escaped from her cage, soon learnt to clip cage doors after that. 1st photo straight from nest. 2nd photo a week later and his flight feathers have developed

My first breeding female had 2 clutches on the trot, I had had her over a year before she mated. The second clutch had a baby with hip displacier, it was so cruedl and having to put the poor little thing down was awful. Since then I have as Kaz says taken notice of the hens overall condition, and have out of 8 that mated only let 2 go for a 2nd clutch. We get to have a gut instinct as to wether the hen can go again or not, actually my biggest lesson was learning that the cock had to be got out of the breeding aviary, as he was always ready to go, and would mate his mate to death if he got the chance.

Good commonsense as far as I am concerned colony breeding was never on the agenda for me, but must admit with first clutch, my husband who was so desperate for Grandbudgies, actually put 2 cocks to our 1st hen. The 2nd cock is a marvelous doting whatever to the clutch, and has never mated with any hen we have tried him with. He is over the hill now so can end his existence being a 2nd to either of his 2 mates when they breed.

My very 1st pair of Budgies took forever. One female my husband bought home was with the male for over 6 months. My Husband disgusted took he back to his sister, bought home anothe female and male. So for what seemed like an eternity we had these 2 cocks fussing over this female, so sign of hanky panky, my Husband was ready to return female and try another, when low and behold eggs. We had no idea which cock was the Father, but as the hatchlings took on colour we were left with no doubt as to who the father was. to this day 2 years later the second male my husband bought home has not mated. He has a couple of mates he hangs out with, and can be left in aviary when others mated then when clutch hatches he is onboard to help out with feeding hen and chicks.

Your post bought memories flooding back to me, when our first babies last December came out of the nest on the 4 week mark, I didn't know if it was good or bad. Put them back as you did, then when it happened for a second day, just left them too it. It is great watching them going and returning to the nest. With some of the clutches that I have had as my numbers increased, I sometimes put hatchlings back if I consider them stressing. Our latest 2 clutches I have actually blocked off the nests, as the little monkies are 6 weeks, and still wanting to come and go as they please. They hate me, have this little one that actually lies along the perch, looks so cute, yet so dejected. I am so cruel aren't I.

Enjoyed your article very much. Thank you

Really enjoyed your post. I have somehow or another fluked some of the troubles you covered. My first Budgie was one thrown out of its nest, he was under 4 weeks, so I got an unplanned job of hand rearing, he was such a little cutie, and when he finally decided to do the boy thing with one of the 2 females my Husband bought home, he still used to chatter away to me. From him I learned pretty quick smart that he would mate as much as he could, and as soon as he could, so another lesson learned about seperating Hen & Cock. I am identifing my hatchlings using leg bands, and yes I do write down the day the chicks hatch, (my husband laughs at me), and when I have sold I give the buyer the date that their bird was hatched. Before pairing off I have been in the practice of making sure both Hen and Cock have had at least a month of controlled diet supplements. Your article has reassured me that I am not overfussy as my piers try to make me. Thanks

Don't know what has happened to photos. Elly had a reply about photos being gone, I thought it was my fault and had been removed because I stuffed up with the size. Am going to redo my photos in Photobucket, and hopefully start of fresh.

To be honest it isn't a bad thing. there are some birds that start off with red eyes and later they go more dark they are known as (plum eyes) and then there are those that stay red (red eyes). By cutting those out you are not allowing certain colours to come through... like cinamon, albino, lutino, lacewing, fallow... It isn't considered a birth defact with budgies... at least I've never heard of it used in that way... I look forward to seeing your flock grow through your responsible breeding. It sounds like you have thought about it. Good on you! This type of mutation is very common in budgies . In some species like us humans, dogs and others there are sometimes health issues that come with albinism but not in budgies . I think understanding how the ino gene works in reference to budgies is important. So know that breeding ino is okay in budgies and don't come with the health issues that some species do. I think this is where you are coming from? If not sorry. Lutino/albino effectively erases all color and markings of a budgie, leaving only the base color (yellow or white). Lutino and albino are the same variety; they are just different names for the same variety in yellow-based budgies and white-based budgies. Lutinos are yellow based budgies,and are all yellow with red/pink eyes. Albinos are white-based budgies and are all white with red/pink eyes. There are two mutations which show up on the lutino/albino. Cinnamon causes the head and wing markings to show up in a light brown color, creating the lacewing variety. Yellowface causes the albino, normally all white, to show different degrees of pale yellow. These budgies are sometimes called creamino. If it is a yellowface type I the yellow will be restricted to the mask area. If it is a yellowface type II, all the albino's feathers will be a creamy off-yellow color. The cere of the male lutino/albino budgie does not change normally. Adult male lutinos/albinos have purple ceres. Adult female lutinos/albinos have the normal white/tan/brown ceres. Reference article: http://www.budgieplace.com/c_ino.html You answered my query with exactly what I needed to know. Thank you for the reference link, this is the kind of info I need to try to understand what to do with my babies. Thank goodness I have a year + before they will be ready to breed, and it something I will be intruiged to find the right mate, also decide if I will keep the 4 that I have fluked, seeing as how they have unrelated parents.

Young Thor like all the rest of them have a consistent diet of as many vegetables as possible & Gum tree branches. Since my first Budgie I have given vegetables etc to them. they do have space between days, so I guess 4 out of 7 days. What is the YF Neville I love you. You are a doll and sound as if you could have the same ideas as me with breeding. You of course have more knowledge of what you are talking about, I only have a dream that I am trying to fulfill, and guess really that I would call my birds a hobby where I am hoping to acheive birds that are not inbreed, and prove to myself that anyone if they put there mind to it, can breed responsibily.My little Thor has Dark Brown Wings. I am using coloured leg rings to keep track of each clutchhttp://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo268/xnannax43/Thor.jpg Can't work out how image was oversized, thought I had reduced all photos as I put them into Photobucket.Yes, that one had slipped through.

Neville I love you. You are a doll and sound as if you could have the same ideas as me with breeding. You of course have more knowledge of what you are talking about, I only have a dream that I am trying to fulfill, and guess really that I would call my birds a hobby where I am hoping to acheive birds that are not inbreed, and prove to myself that anyone if they put there mind to it, can breed responsibily. My little Thor has Dark Brown Wings. I am using coloured leg rings to keep track of each clutch http://i382.photobucket.com/albums/oo268/xnannax43/Thor.jpg

The 2nd picture was my as yet untried 13m.old Mauve, he has black marking on the wings and is from a White hen with a green shimmer in certain lights & Blue Cock with white wings blue markings Thanks for the info on the ones in the nest, sort of guessed about the Albino and to have another creamino from birds that are no way related to the first pair I had is extrodinary as until yesterday, it was a work that I had never heard mentioned before. have a new 5 week old out of the nest today we had to gt it out it was too fat to get out of the nest. Mum is our problem feathered child, not sure if I should have let her mate, she only flutters for short distances, can't keep her tail feathers. She only had the 1 hatchling, but I let her go as she is the one who got out of her cage in February, and my Ridgeback X who was put down 2 weeks later, caught her and held her in his mouth till I got there. The Baby is in his memory. From the picture can you tell me if I should let her go again. I am worried about the curl in the babies tail too.

Thank for your input. Where I am going is to raise healthy good sized birds, than are not inbred as so many are. I am trying to get blood lines that enable me to breed responsibily avoid inbreeding, and of course to have good healthy birds. The thing with the red eyes is something I need to gain more knowledge, but to me it seemed that if I had birds paired that produced that mutation, it would be better for me to avoid repairing. Am I right there. Also I have another 2 hatchlings that have the dark red eyes, one I guess will be albino as it is white, the other is a pale lemon , these birds are no way connected with the parents of the 2 Summers. My latest little effort may be more to show size, but that is not my objective, I am too old to get caught up with all that show birds involves.

definitely not rejects to me ,but then i do love ino's Thanks for your input. This is the first of these that I have had. really wanting to know just where they fitted in. I like them, but have not had anything to do with what is suitable to breed from, and that is where I was coming from. At this moment only breeding for hobby. Put it this way, 2 babies same day, and only 1 egg hatched, so that is why I call them the 2 summers. Well you never know what can happen, the parents of these 2 in my ignorant idea of colour matching should never have had these babies. but I do not know the genitics of the parents. By the way 1 egg 2 babies I agree, so soft and gentle the colourings

Not sure if I have given this the right heading, am new to the world of Breeding. Here is my query. 1. As I am just starting to have my own bred Hens & Cocks ready to mate, I am wondering if to establish a blood line, I need to establish more than 2 bloodlines. I have had good success with my orginal matings, so will I put those Hens & Cocks together to raise more stock. 2. With the ones ready to be paired would I benefit by bringing in another pair to mate with the newby's gaining another 2 bloodlines. Would this be enough to spread the bloodlines within the Aviary. I can't have a big selection of birds, as I do not have the room to house them, and don't laugh 50 would be the absolute maximum. 3. Will my Albinos be able to be mated, if so what do I need to look for when pairing.

Having another go at showing off some of my babies, belive that I have some spangles, but know idea really

So are they rejects or what.

thank you, am in the process of doing more. On a roll Will give it a shot. Thanks I think they are just the greatest too

At last 2 weeks on I finally get to post pictures of The 2 Summers my Red Eyed Yellow Twins. Perhaps now someone of you kind people who posted replies to me can now tell me what I have. Are they acceptable in the Budgie world, or are they rejects. I have no idea, and will appreciate feed back. xnannax43

I have finally done it. Now will have to do again. Take no notice of the Bannaplantflower label, the photo is of the 2 Summers my twins who orginally were in the Mutations Forum because of their Red Eyes. Don't care at the moment, just so tickeled that I have finally mastered the art of adding photos. Off to try to do it again to make sure I do not forget