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baby is definitely a visual violet on my screen Opaline (hen ) this means dad is normal sky blue / Opaline mum is taken with flash still so wont comment on weather shes golden face or just type two yellow face but shes a spangle violet id say looking at her cheek patches for best color true to life really need a picture of her with sunlight only no flash full body shot to judge on gf or yf the chick looks normal yf as not much suffusion but that can just mean its not going to get it till it moults out if its goldenface this chick will turn from this beautiful violet to a mucky moss green colour through out if this happens its a single factor goldenface if it satys same after molt its just a type two however that doesnt mean mum is still not a goldenface /to type two yellow face if she is id guess shes df goldenface as suffusion stops at chest so either it is worth mentioning single factor goldenfaces they are beautiful baby makers when it comes to colour as ugly as they may become with the suffusion so well worth keeping

take the deal and run for the hills with an evil grin MWAH HA HA HA very nice offer pji and grand start as splat said three brother what more could you ask all with great faces and body size and nice feather id been very pleased as a beginner to have that offer

welcome and yes it made me realize maybe i should just go with my thoughts on what my birds need not what others do or say as my birds were at their best when i was feeding rice touch of saffron and veggies cooked in it mashed spud with nutmeg in it eggs scrambled with oregano and sprinkled with tad fresh chilly not only was i eating better as i was cooking for myself as well but birds were in peek condition cant forget the Sunday lunch roast cooked in lemon lime sprinkled with chilly and rosemary and squeeze of orange stuffed with hurbed bread crumbs (mixed herbs ) in which the birds got the fresh carcass and left over stuffing straight after lunch was eaten along with any left over baked veggies as i don't use oil or anything in my cooking makes me wonder why i stopped ..mmm thats right i was told that birds dont get than in wild

GB, am very interested to learn. Why does the dad being a sky spangle mean it's a hen? And why single or double factor. I'm still a bit confused on the factor biz. Moglet, sometimes GB's fingers type out differently than she means to say things. I'm pretty sure she meant that the chick has to be a hen because the mother is not opaline. Opaline is sex-linked, and the father might be split to opaline, and then it would show up in a daughter. And I think she meant that the chick can't be mauve, because if the dad is sky blue, he has no dark factor to give the chick. (But when GB comes back, she can tell us what she really meant. ) You wouldn't be the only one confused about the yellowface and golden face genes, LOL! They are basically yellow-removing genes. So a goldenface has a really dark yellow face, and some yellow in the body, but when it is in double factor form, more yellow is removed from the body, so you mostly only see the golden face still, and that might be a lighter yellow. We need Sunshine's Dad to come back and tell us more info! sometimes GB's fingers type out differently than she means to say things. this is the kindest way ive ever been told im missing major peaices of info lol also got me to read back my words ... your learning to read me very well finne yes as a sexed linked gene the chick can only be Opaline hen if mother is not visually Opaline its the best way for beginners to start out so they can learn to recognize sexes in nest from young age i my self learn t this very way by buying all visually normal hens to start no sex linked ones their for i knew anything that popped out special was indeed a hen eg Opaline , cinnamon , albino ,clear-body ,lute ,so one i then would wright my guesses of the other nest mates from very young age and compaire what i got right n wrong took me few years but i got their im very rearly wrong now with sexing inperson though i dont remember saying that chick couldn't be mauve but your right dad being sky blue would mean that one ddf and one light you wouldn't get mauve heres a sheet with it all in simplistic words by brett some one (doran) Dark Factors By Brett Doran One of the reasons budgerigars are so popular both as pets and as exhibition birds is the range of varieties and colours that are available. In this article I will concentrate on colour rather than variety, as colour production is consistent irrespective of variety. In both green and blue series there are three basic colours as follows: Light Green Skyblue Dark Green Cobalt Olive Green Mauve We also have two modifier genes, which aren't colours in themselves, but as the name implies they modify or change the base colour. These modifiers are Grey and Violet. We will deal with these modifying genes in a future article, while in this article we will confine ourselves to the basic colours. As you can see in both green and blue series birds there are three shades of colour. The presence or absence of what we call "Dark Factor genes" produces these shades. The arrangement of dark factor genes is as follows and is expressed by the use of "d" or "D". No dark factor dd Light Green Skyblue One dark factor dD Dark Green Cobalt Two dark factors DD Olive Green Mauve As can be seen above, genes are always grouped in pairs, with one gene passed on by each parent. Lets look at some pairings using dark factors. Before we start I will be using what are referred to as "Punnet Squares" to demonstrate each pairing. In the examples I will be using it doesn't matter which gene pair, horizontal or vertical represents the cock or hen. Percentage results are based on results over many nests and may vary for individual nests except of course where the expectation is 100%. Lets start with a simple pairing such as Light Green (Skyblue) x Light Green (Skyblue). As can be seen from the above list Light Greens (Skyblues) possess no dark factor ie "dd". d d d d d dd dd d dd dd d dd dd d dd dd 100% "dd" no dark factor ( Light Green or Skyblue). As can be seen the resulting progeny are all no dark factor birds, therefore all Light Green (Skyblue). Now lets pair Light Green (Skyblue) x Dark Green (Cobalt). d d d d d dd dd d dd dd D dD dD D dD dD 50% " dd " no dark factor ( Light Green or Skyblue). 50% " dD " one dark factor ( Dark Green or Cobalt). As can be seen 50% carry no dark factor (Light Green or Skyblue) and 50% carry one dark factor ( Dark Green or Cobalt). Our next pairing is Dark Green (Cobalt) x Dark Green (Cobalt). d D d D d dd dD d dd dD D dD DD D dD DD 25% "dd " no dark factor ( Light Green or Skyblue). 50% " dD " one dark factor ( Dark Green or Cobalt). 25% " DD " two dark factors ( Olive Green or Mauve). This pairing produces an unexpected result to the inexperienced breeder who would assume that pairing two Dark Greens (Cobalts) would result in all the progeny being Dark Green (Cobalt). As can be seen from the above result this pairing in fact produces birds in all three shades of green (blue). For our final pairing involving two green series birds we will pair Light Green (Skyblue) x Olive Green (Mauve). d d d d D dD dD D dD dD D dD dD D dD dD 100% " dD " one dark factor ( Dark Green or Cobalt). Hopefully you are getting the hang of this genetics stuff by now. Was this the result you expected? Once you understand the basic methodology of the punnet squares it all falls into place quite readily. Lets pair a Light Green x Cobalt to prove that the dark factor theory holds true even when pairing green to blue. Now that you possess this basic understanding of Dark Factor Genetics you will be able to pair whatever varieties you like and be able to work out the basic colour expectations for that pairing whether it be Normals, Dominant Pieds, Clearwings, Opalines or Cinnamons etc. As mentioned earlier we will look at the modifier genes Grey and Violet and their effect on the basic colours in a future article. Until then may all your eggs be full and your chicks Champions. if the mothers mauve and dad sky blue but both holding violet genetics the chick could come out cobalt violet looking mauve in bad light really do need sunshine's dad for more info

here you too seems someone else has done the hard mile for you http://www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars.com/naturesmedicines.htm

no hun i mean if you go to veiw his profile

well they love parsley to just anyone beware you must thoroughly wash any fresh food very well in water first before giving

okay after looking at sunshine's dads profile picture im guessing mum is a mauve golden face in df form so that means that this chick has to be a mauve golden face single factor chick as looks like if dad is also in the picture hes a sky spangle so the chicks a hen in that case but it is also again really a fact of photos being done in corect lighting so i suggest untill we find out what mum n dad actually are we all stop guessing cause theirs a diffrence between agf and yf 2 so we need to really find out more before we call it

Seems I am a little bit experienced in photograghy, having my certificate 1 and 2. I would say that this photo colour is wrong, a persons hand is not that colour , so by the time you fix colour of the hand the birds colour would come back to too and it would be more like the second lot of photos. The bird would be a mauve and the face would be more yellow (lemon colour) so to me I would think it is a yellow face 2 which would explain the colour running through the wings. im just having trouble with the cheek patch colors as to classing it mauve thats all splat i two think its tpye two yf but not sure on it being mauve still could be just cobalt looks mauve i do agree in second picture however they are useing wrong light in all pics acounts and as for wizz bang he looks sky blue not cobalt in that picture and still looking single factor goldenface too me but again with the flash cant actually tell so will take you word on it

splat their are a few herbs very beneficial to our birds as are some native plants for many reasons i give mine herbs but mostly things like water cress and mint you can give a whole garlic clove if you like they will eat it if they please i know they love dill and fennel but i dont give them that however im just starting my budgie garden this spring comming it will have lots of stuff lemon grass fresh coriander basil most things but all will be giving within reason but wont be in soft food will just be of bush

all of the above and if your green is yf then all chicks that are blue or grey from him will be yf but only some of the green chicks will get the green passed on is that right rip or am i wrong oh and if hes not split blue well have fun with that and your skyblue clearbody cock he is beautiful great length in mask and nice length also dont put cinnamon into your clearbodys hun you will kill your line before it starts use your best normal hen with deepest markings or a clearbody blue based or albino masking grey not masking spangle or a lute not masking spangle and masking dark green or a dark green or olive for any green clearbodys but never ever cinnamon

in these pics i think this bird looks like a type two yf opaline as far as colour goes really cant tell im not even going to guess as the lighting is not right need chick to be perching if its indeed a mauve then its a violet move if could be a cobalt though in bad light or a plain violet for that matter really need to see whole bird but as splat said its not got enough suffusion over body to be golden face unless df form what are the Peronts i dont know why people dont give the details of birds peronts if known it helps so as we can truly make a decisive decision genetics can cull out coulors and sex issues really fast giving you truth a lot more reliable than assumptions i honestly unless it was in front of me could not rule out golden face as chick is flat on its belly one the main areas to decipher a golden face from a normal type two but given the first picture was taken in a florescent light and chick looked golden face violet their im going to say cobalt type two as splat originally stated but more pictures and natural sun light may change my opinion and some history of its heritage also could affect my decision so really what im saying is your back at square one in my eyes better pics of whole bird in normal day light sitting on perch would help a whole lot

i wasn't saying you said Grey green definitely, i said it couldn't be cause its cheeks were blue sorry if you thought i was saying you were wrong

sad to hear you lost one taz d but glad to hear the others are well enjoy your new babys

in last picture oldest two look male and in answer to your question where was i looking at the butt where the tail feathers are now clearly becoming id say sky violet or cobalt but the dad is but only a sky blue the violet comes from mum being visual violet nothing to do with dad hes a plain sky believe me if you look at his cheek patches its a give away

yes kaz is true and correct birds will actually kill each others nest in night or when a hen whom isnt being supported by a cock flys down to fed herself to beable to feed her chicks sometimes a hen will starve to death sitting on a nest to protect her eggs from being smashed and will not think about her actions as shes just doing as a good mother should in her eyes how often have you forgotten to eat to help one your children with something or put off a cuppa to do something with them only thing is the hens take to extrema as no one else will protect her nest while shes away mother bird will do anything for her chicks even if it meand her own death even fight to it

birds dont have actual girlfriends they just jump everyone

fire bird get a cheep match stick blind they are in a Holland blind form and roll up and down ventilated and keeps out drafts also when giving your birds water take it away for the day and over night then return with medication next morning first thing stand and watch the birds flock down to drink works every time then every day take water at around 3pm then return fresh new medicated water in morning around 8 or 9 am do this daily they will drink it they will realize if they want a drink they best do it before its taken or have to wait till its back birds are bit smarter than people give credit this should see them drinking it

well she would be more silly than dumb if she was to say she still wants this certain bubby so in saying that patience does pay off things happen for reasons and i bet her new chick will be something grand personality wize

yep she is

im sorry darl but i would not be letting that chick leave my stud until its done the 6 months moult just say she gets well enough to sell you sell her and three month molt she cant cope stresses and what ever resistance shes built up well she just didnt build up enough to stop her from going backwards again and she becomes unwell and buyer becomes bird-less i have refused to sell birds on occasion due to me feeling they were just under the weather to actually be unwell from start shes got more going on so unless you stop all feeds now and spesh treatment and have her in a cage separate from others and alone bar the human contact she will be getting for a month to see if shes active or just sits their then id just tell the lady that you are sorry but if you were to sell her chances are she could become unwell at latter date or in the move to her new environment megga is normally a secondary infection so and they can hang on for months just on the edge of survival ( not saying she has that ) and unless she was meaty around her keel bone then she should not go anywhere regardless of her weight or if shes eatting i resently had two birds come down with secondary megga cases after a bought of canker in flock they lasted three months almost before i decided that they needed to be safely put to sleep just as they eat and live does not mean they are healthy if the weights up and down the bird is not fit for sale and wont be till its stable visually for at shortest one month on its own no help no special anything my two would of gone on for ever like they were up down up down it was cruel to them considering what they were and what they became with no steady flow of weight gain or stable health back good for few weeks then on floor fluffed then night eating preening on perch then next day sick on floor so on so on two months this went on birds were better put to sleep and believe me i tried everything to get them healthy they were a great two birds so.......... find another regardless and you will never get a call saying oh the bird died and you wondering was it due to its health or what ???

well i have hens chewing the house down but im not particularly wanting to pair up i just dont have the get up and go right now to be pairing more than the 6 pairs i have

thats got to hurt splat well i know i have been slack with pics but im sorry im just not the happiest monkey around of last month i put two more pairs up today my agf violet clear-body hen and a agf cobalt /ino cock and her sky violet sister and a clear-body cock i think hes holding violet will find out i hope this way my albino and her partner going second round two eggs today and my albino hen and her /ino/cin/op unk are doing good this time no egg eatting i seemed to eradicate that issue and they also sit on two eggs the other two pairs are just warming up to peek breeding condition now and are cheaking out boxes my fingers are crossing to get anything from either pairing

usually when fluffed like that they either go down hill or get a immunity to the illness causing it and become a carrier birds so be careful hun its not something more detrimental than just starting out slow

make sure you clean that cage with thoroughly or George may end up sick if it was more than heart