Neville

I can't see anything that suggests clearwing. It looks like a spangle recessive pied. Frosting on the rump is quite common with spangles

There is a lot of rubbish published on the internet. The gene that makes a budgie an albino effects the colour pigmentation not the birds health

I've never seen a df spangle with that much suffusion. Looks more like a cinnamon spangle or possibly a clearwing spangle

She looks like a cinnamon spangle violet. She is not pied

Hi Brendan. Welcome to the forum. Generally it is better not to mix budgies with finches because the budgies might harm the finches, but occasionally you will find birds that do get along together

Hey! This is a picture of my birds. Where did you find it?

If you want some practice identifying different pied types try this thread http://forums.budgie...20%20pieds&st=0

1st picture – dark green dominant pied 2nd picture from left – yellow face spangle grey,spangle cobalt violet, cinnamon grey 3rd picture from left – can’t see properly,cockatiel, need to see wings but probably opaline spangle dark green, spanglegrey green 4th picture – opaline clearbody

Yellow face greywing sky blue. The yellow has spread a little producing a few greenish feathers, it will probably spread more when he is mature

Chick 1 - T2 yellow face opaline dominant pied sky blue Chick 2 – T2 yellow face opaline dominant pied (looks male?). The chick looks like a double factor dominant pied but it can't be from these parents. You're not colony breeding are you? Parents of chicks 1 & 2 – T2 yellow face opaline dominant pied & opaline spangle sky blue Chick 3 – opaline spangle sky blue (may have a violet factor but I can't see violet in either of the parents) Chick 3's parents – spangle sky blue male & opaline dominant pied cobalt female Chick 4 – yellow face sky blue Chick 4's parents – Cobalt male & T2 yellow face or golden face spangle cobalt female

The hen is opaline dominant pied. The cock looks like recessive pied but he has very clear flight & tail feathers which suggest he could be a combination. 3 of the chicks clearly show characteristics of dominant pied (2 of them with greywing). Although they have more clear areas than most dominant pieds, there are no definite recessive pied characteristics showing. They could be combinations but photos when they are fully feathered are needed

Looks like an albino male but if he has cinnamon on his wings he is probably a lacewing. White birds often have a blue sheen

Do you have photo of the parents?

I don't have any pictures but usually a double factor clearflight pied won't look any different from a single factor. So the only way to tell for certain would be from breeding results There can be an enormous amount of variation between individual clearflght pieds, some may only have a few clear flight feathers while other can have large clear areas

Neither are opaline

The one with the darker wing markings is a yellow face spangle grey. I think it might be a cock . The one with the lighter wing markings is a yellow face cinnamon spangle grey. It definitely a hen.

Here's a link to simplified explanations of how genetics work that I wrote. They might help you understand http://www.officialb...legenetics1.htm http://www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars.com/simplegenetics2.htm

Neville, what is a bird is both violet and mauve? Is that equally as hard to tell from violet and grey? Grey and violet are both colour adding factors so the birds will always have an underlying shade of blue. Your birds cheek patches are not the right shade for a bird that is just mauve but they are a deeper blue than is usual for a grey. This could mean that she is a violet grey or she could be just a grey with brighter than usual cheek patches

A mauve will usually have violet cheek patches and a dark blue tail A grey has either blue or grey cheek patches and a black tail. There can be a lot of variation in the shade of grey between birds. If a bird is both violet & grey the shade of the cheek patches and the tail can be effected making identification difficult

If both his parents were opaline & cinnamon he must be both those mutations as well as the double factor spangle and if his mother was double factor violet he must be single factor violet

It is common for white birds to show a tinge of colour. A male dark eyed clear will have a pink cere, orange beak, pink feet and will not develop iris rings, but dark eyed clears are not as common as double factor spangles. Just because he hasn't developed iris rings or a blue cere doesn't mean that he is not a double factor spangle but it probably means that the double factor spangle mutation is masking recessive pied. The only sure way to tell a dark eyed clear from a double factor spangle that is masking recessive pied is by breeding results

Here are some bigger pictures The two cock birds The first clutch The second clutch A back picture of 0790

Update on this thread The Combination pied hen is now grown up and has reared two clutches. Her first mate was a recessive pied. Their chicks were 4 recessive pieds and 2 combination pieds. (The expected result would be half recessive pied and half combination pied) Her second mate was a yellow face opalinespangle split for recessive pied. Their chicks were; a spangle recessive pied,an opaline dominant pied, a spangle, an opaline combination recessive & dominant pied spangle, a yf normal and an opaline recessive pied. (Not considering the yellowface the expected result would be 6.25% each of spangle (m), normal (m),recessive pied spangle (m), recessive pied (m), dominant pied spangle (m),dominant pied (m), dominant pied recessive pied spangle (m), dominant pied recessive pied (m), opaline spangle (f), opaline (f), opaline recessive piedspangle (f), opaline recessive pied (f), opaline dominant pied spangle (f),opaline dominant pied (f), opaline dominant pied recessive pied spangle (f),opaline dominant pied recessive pied (f)

Good looking birds. I particularly like Valkyrie Vulcan's wonky feet might be a problem if you try to breed from him. They don't look like they could have been caused by an accident

He could be a double factor dominant pied or possibly a combination recessive & dominant pied or even a combination clearflight pied & dominant pied Need a photo of the whole bird but from what can be seen in that photo he is not just recessive pied nor is he just single factor dominant pied. With some birds the only way to be sure of the mutation is to look at the breeding results