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I agree with Libby. Greywing dominant pied. She has a clear band across the front so she is not a clearflight pied

Great drawings. It would be nice to get opalines with perfect markings like these

The standard show budgie of earlier times was beautifully proportioned, sleek and tight feathered. These were the type that won prizes on the show bench, but even these wouldn't have survived in the wild. Because todays judges favour big headed, loose feathered ungainly birds that have difficulty seeing and have to get their vents trimmed before they are even able to breed we are loosing the beautiful type that we used to have

Can't see the pictures! And the link won't work! The genes for the birds that we had 50 years ago are still around (mostly in the pet type budgies), we just need to selectively breed for these qualities

This article brings back memories of how show budgies looked when I was young. I totally agree that the tight feathered sleek birds we ued to have were much nicer than the loose feather big headed budgies that win prizes now

I agree. Male

Your other birds are 2 yellow face blue opalines and 2 dilute recessive pieds. You will need to wait until after their first moult to tell if the yellow face is type 1 or 2. I would estimate the age of the pair in the breeding cage at about 5 months in spite of anything that the breeder has told you. The green male has got iris rings but his cere hasn't even coloured up properly yet so he is much too young to breed

If there were no other mutations present the expected result from this pair would be: opaline and opaline spangle females; normal and spangle males, in about equal numbers. Single factor violet should be present in about half the chicks. The dilute mutation of the hen is recessive so it would have to be carried in a split form by the cock bird before you'd get chicks similar to the hen

I agree too. Normal cobalt violet probably split for recessive pied

Congratulations Kaz

I have a hen who laid 10 eggs. I let her raise 7 and fostered the other 3. The main thing with fostering chicks is to give them to a hen that has chicks of a similar age

There a NO American or English budgies. They are all Australian. In NZ the large ones are usually referred to as exhibition or show budgies and the smaller ones as pet type. I don't think it would be appreciated by Americans if people started to call the golden eagle Australian

I'd say dominant pied spangle too

I agree too. Recessive

You can't get normals from a double factor dominant pied but as there were normals in the last clutch it proves that Blue is not a double factor dominant. Often pieds with very few markings that are mistakenly identified as double factor dominant pieds when they are actually a combination of two different pied types. Using breeding results to identify mutations is better than visual identification

He can't be because 2 of the chicks are not. If he was double factor dominant pied all the chicks would be dominant pied

How did you serve them?

When one of the parents is lutino any mutations are possible because lutino can mask any other mutation. There are 2 ways that would account for the mutations of the 4 chicks. It’s hard to tell Blue’s mutation from the photo. Blue appears to be a recessive pied but since the chicks are dominant pied Blue could be a combination of dominant and recessive pied. He can’t be a double factor dominant pied because some of the chicks haven’t inherited pied. The chicks are cobalt opaline dominant pied, Grey dominant pied, grey green, and dark green 1) If Blue is a combination of dominant and recessive pied then: Blue is split for opaline and Flame is masking opaline and has a grey factor 2) If Blue is a recessive pied then: Blue is split for opaline and Flame is masking opaline and dominant pied and has a grey factor The expected outcome from either option would include combinations of dominant pied, opaline, green, grey green, grey and blue

I think it's just suffusion on a double factor spangle but the DF spangle could be masking something else that is showing through. If it was born with red eyes then the DF spangle is probably masking cinnamon, which doesn't account for the blotchiness. If there is another mutation present it must be either dominant or clearflight pied because if it was recessive pied there would be no iris rings

I'm surprised that so many have replied to this thread without noticing that the 2 birds are both hens. The green spangle's cere looks blue because it is a hen that is out of condition

Your green spangle looks female to me!

On a second look he does look cinnamon

I've not heard of a poorly marked clearflight pied but that seems to be the only explanation

Light green opaline cock to sky blue hen All females light green opaline, all males light green normal split for opaline. If the cock is split for blue you will also get sky blue opaline hens and skyblue normal cocks Yellow face grey dominant pied cock to sky blue opaline dominant pied hen 50% single factor dominant pied, 25% double factor dominant pied, 25% normals. Assuming the grey is single factor: Half will be grey and half will be blue. Half of each type will be yellow face and all the cocks will be split for opaline. If the cock is split for opaline then about half the chicks of both sexes will be opaline. If he is not split then no opalines Grey cock to opaline texas clearbody hen Assuming the grey is single factor: 50% grey normals, 50% blue normals. If the cock is not split for texas clearbody there will be no texas clearbody chicks but all the males will be split. If the cock is split for texas clearbody the half the chicks of both sexes will show the mutation Grey opaline cock to grey opaline hen All the chicks will be opaline. If they are both single factor grey 50% of the chicks will be single factor grey, 25% double factor grey and 25% blue If any of the grey birds are double factor grey then all of their chicks will be grey. If any of the birds are carrying genes for any other mutations you’ll get some nice surprises

It sounds like Storm must be spangle clearflight pied but the pictures are not really clear enough to be sure. Banshee looks more like a recessive pied but if he is developing iris rings and a blue cere then he must be clearflight, though his flight feathers are not as clear as would be expected Where did you find this Kaz?