Neville

Getting back to the original question because some answers seem confusing and some have swapped the cock and the hen around All the female daughters of an opaline cock will be opaline All the chicks of a double factor spangle will be spangle If the double factor spangle hen is masking opaline all the chicks of both sexes will be opaline spangle If the double factor spangle hen is NOT masking opaline the female chicks will be opaline spangle & the male chicks will be spangle split for opaline Many opaline spangles have some black wing markings but anyone who is experienced with opalines can still see the difference

I was wondering too if the problem really was egg binding. Egg bound hens usually show symptoms for several days so there is time to treat them

The cock bird is clearwing green split for opaline & blue. He is also carrying violet. If the hen is split for dilute it is not proven yet. If she was split for dilute you could get clearwing chicks All the chicks will be split for clearwing and the green chicks will be split for blue

He's just spangle. Frosting on the rump is quite common with spangles. Hope his new feathers grow in okay

Hi and welcome to the forum. It's good to see another kiwi joining. I live at the other end of the country and keep a couple of hundred budgies but no black mutations have shown up yet

Thanks everyone. The bird is a type 2 yellow face sky blue spangle recessive pied and the background is a picture on a calendar. I hung the picture in the aviary and held the bird in one hand and the camera in the other

I don't know if anyone would try it on a live bird but if you bleach feathers for art work you can get this colour

1/ Spangle sky blue 2/ Spangle green 3/ Opaline sky blue 4 & 5/ Both are double factor dominant pieds 6/ Dominant pied (the bird next to it is a recessive pied) 7/ Greywing green

Welcome to the forum. Your bird sounds like a recessive pied. It is really great that you have read the FAQs before starting. Six birds will be happy together but it would be better if they were paired separately when you are ready to breed them. Just buy the colours you like but if you are planning to breed try to get unrelated birds

The mother of the two grandfathers was a recessive pied - they are half brothers, their fathers were both normals. I don't know the parentage of either of the grandmothers

Dominant pied light green cock to a cinnamon grey hen If the cock is not split for blue: 25% green 25% grey green 25% dominant pied green 25% dominant pied grey green No cinnamon unless the cock is split for cinnamon If the cock is split for blue: 12.5% normal green 12.5% normal blue 12.5% normal grey green 12.5% normal grey 12.5% dominant pied green 12.5% dominant pied blue 12.5% dominant pied grey green 12.5% dominant pied grey

She is an opaline dominant pied

Congratulations

She is a type 2 yellow face opaline cobalt. The reason her colour is different from when she was a chick is because of her yellow face type. After the first moult it is common for the yellow to spread making the body colour more greenish

I'm posting this thread because I have noticed that combination pieds are often incorrectly labeled recessive or double factor dominant The bird at the bottom of this family tree picture is a typical combination of dominant and recessive pieds. The points that identify her as a dominant pied are completely clear primary flight and tail feathers and the markings that she has are where a dominant pied would be marked. The splash of body colour high on the chest area is a bonus indicator. Her recessive pied features are very few markings and the base colour showing low on the body, also she is unlikely to develop iris rings. Male combinations usually have pink ceres. Her father is a sky blue dominant pied that is split for recessive pied. He was bred from a male cobalt split for recessive pied and a female sky blue dominant pied. The combination pied's mother is a T2 yellow face cobalt recessive pied. Her parents were a male yellow face cobalt split for recessive pied and a female opaline recessive pied The pair produced the 5 chicks pictured in the 2nd family tree picture. The expected outcome from this pair would be 25% dominant pied, 25% recessive pied, 25% normal & 25% combination pied

Budgie no. 1 is a yellow face cobalt male (not opaline) No 2 is a yellow face cobalt combiation of dominant pied and recessive pied female. If you look at the pied pattern you can see the dominant pied and the fact that there is very little marking and the body colour she does have is very low on the body, shows that she is also recessive pied (Double factor dominant pieds also have very few markings). As she has both pied types she probably won't develop iris rings. Combinations of pied types are a lot more common than most of us realize.

Often if a bird lays a very small egg is will not have any yolk

I'd say normal sky blue but the colour will show in a couple of days

Grey green clearwing split to opaline & blue cock to a double factor spangle (blue series) hen 12.5% green spangle cocks 12.5% grey green spangle cocks 12.5% blue spangle cocks 12.5% grey spangle cocks 6.25% green spangle hens 6.25% grey green spangle hens 6.2% blue spangle hens 6.25% grey spangle hens 6.25% green opaline spangle hens 6.25% grey green opaline spangle hens 6.2% blue opaline spangle hens 6.25% grey opaline spangle hens The shades of blue or green will depend on the dark factor of the cock, but probably sky blue & light green. There will only be clearwing spangles if the hen is split for clearwing

As you appear to be colony breeding there is no guarantee that the mate of the hen that lays the eggs will be the father of the chicks.

A dark eyed clear is a combination of clearflight pied and recessive pied. It depends on what the lutino is masking but if she is not masking anything and not split for blue or recessive pied, and the male is not split for ino, you'd get: 50% clearflight pied green 50% normal green All would be split for recessive pied and the males would be split for ino

Violet is a colour adding factor and not a colour in it's own right. So a sky blue violet is a sky blue bird that has violet added. A visual violet is usually a cobalt violet. The lutino must have been carrying violet, inherited from it's parent, but because the lutino mutation covers other mutations it couldn't be seen but she could still pass it on to her offspring

Although budgies will breed when they are quite young it is not advisable to let them breed until they are at least 12 months old. Young budgies will often engage in "recreational sexual activity" When your pair are old enough to breed, if your cock bird is not split for cinnamon you could expect about: 25% cobalt 25% sky blue 25% spangle cobalt 25% spangle sky blue All the males will be split for cinnamon If the cock bird is split for cinnamon about half would be cinnamon as well