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Yeah I just noticed that.

When you buy meds from Rob Marshall he supplies 1 and 5 gram teaspoons. Its one Teaspoon, which is 4grams to 2 litres of water. No Matt, I believe you are mistaken. The turbosole jar comes with a white 1 gram teaspoon. If indeed the dosis was 4 grams per 2 liters then the instructions would be 4 teaspoons per 2 Liters. But it is not. Here is what is says in the online book regarding Canker - Trichomoniasis (Canker) Outbreak An immediate emergency response is required when canker (Trichomoniasis) is suspected as the cause of deaths in a crowded young bird flight (refer to Chapter 30 pages 392-395 & figure 30k: "The Budgerigar" book). Exact Instructions for Canker Outbreak Individual Bird Treatment Isolate and treat all sick birds in heated hospital cage(s). Premix 1 level teaspoon of Turbosole into 4 litre of warm water and use this water to prepare the Emergency Rescue Formula as per normal Emergency First Aid instructions (refer to Chapter 19 pages 243 figure 19b: "The Budgerigar" book). Updated Emergency Rescue Formula Ingredients: This recipe is enough for 4 birds. Adjust the quantities accordingly for greater numbers of birds. 5 teaspoons ER powder 2 drops Quik-gel 10 mls of warmed Turbosole Working Solution made from mixing 1 level teaspoon (3 grams) of Turbosole into 2 litre of hot water. 1 crushed Cank-R-tab dissolved into 1nl of water. [*]Crop feed each sick bird 2-3mls of this Emergency Rescue Formula each 8 hours for 3 days or until they are eating well. Birds that fail to respond within 72 hours will not recover sufficiently to breed again. Flock Treatment [*]Add Turbosole (1 teaspoon per 4 litre) and Quick-gel (1mls per litre) into the drinking water of the sick birds in the hospital cage and also into the drinking water of all flights. Make this up fresh daily for 5 days. Follow a full Breeding Health Programme for 6 weeks using KD as an acid water cleanser (see Chapter 31 pages 403: "The Budgerigar" book).[*]Expect more birds in the flights to become sick over the next 2 days and remove these to the hospital cage for treatment.[*]Disinfect water containers using KD each day for 1 week then weekly for 3 months.[*]Move recovered sick birds to holding cages for observation. They should stay here for 3 weeks before returning to flights. Here they must receive Turbobooster E-powder and F-vite to dry seed mix daily and Turbosole for three consecutive days (followed by Quik-gel (2ml/500ml) for 3 days) each week for 3 weeks. All other birds in the flights should receive a similar treatment but they start one month after the first course of treatment.[*]Follow-up treatments using Turbosole (1teaspoon into 4 litres) are required to prevent reinfections and should be given when canker outbreaks are more likely to occur. Critical months for canker outbreaks are January and August. Prevention starts by administering a 5 day long course of Turbosole each 3 months to coincide with January and August treatments.

Turbosole for Canker Give 1 teaspoon (1gram) into 2 Liters of water for 5 days. Refer to page 43-46 of the Budgerigar Medicine Book by Rob Marshall

So very true!

Well that is why it is a Breeding Journal Dave I write mine for myself but also for all my friends and family all over the globe. Some of them are really into it!

Another chickie arrived to day to the Normal Cobalt nest, that is the third! I think one should have hatched on Friday or thereabouts 'cause I opened a DIS yesterday. Still I am hoping for one or two more from this nest. No one else has dropped their feathers but I am crop feeding 1-2mls of Doxy to any panting chicks- which are the chicks in the DF Recessive Pied nest, chickie number 4 DF Yellow, the Normal Cobalt that had splayed legs and the DF Rec Pied chick for good measure (it isn't panting). However, I am most concerned about the three eldest chicks to the Cobalt Dommie Pied nest that want to come out of the nest box now and are situated below the 2 affected nests. Thankfully they are fledging really late and already have tail feathers 1/3 grown ... I may just move all of them to another Breeder cabinet today to minimise the risk.

No, I don't GB. I have re-set the light timers to go off at 9am and turn back on at 6pm. That should keep the temperature from rising more than the daily average. I still think the panting is related to the French Moult outbreak. Chickie number 4 to the DF Yellow nest that I fostered to the DF Recessive Pied nest has fledged to the bottom of the Breeder Cabinet and is panting. I crop fed it Hand Rearing mix with Doxy last night and I may do so again tonight. I will be very interested to see if it drops its flights over the next few days.

Ummmmm. What is Paterson Curse?

Thanks Kaz. Current temperature in the Breeding Room 27C at 2pm local time. Warm but no signs of birds in heat discomfort. Temperature reading under the back veranda is 24C. I will turn the lights off during the day on days forecast above 25C.

You'll be able to show him as an Adult Splat, just not as a this year's young bird.

Yes that is a good tip. Temperatures are set to hover around 30C this week. I pulled as many pairs as I could but there were some nests where I just could not. I just put a thermometer in there about 1/2 hour ago. Current reading 24C - hardly hot. I will check again later and then compare with the forecasted daily temperature.

Well that was what I was advised last week, remember? "Renee you're stressing about nothing - it is warm in here" and I was only too happy to believe that. The thing is Dave, it may be warm in there with the fluoros on but it is not what I would call warm enough to prompt panting - and not all birds are doing it. Nup, I think the heat wave the other Sunday was a contributing factor to kick start an outbreak in carrier birds. I closed up the breeding room to keep the temperature down - next time the mercury rises I will keep everything open and use a lot of fans.

I was really hoping I would not end this horrible breeding season with more woe but I now simply cannot deny that the nest of DF Yellow chicks have French Moult. You may remember this little fellow from earlier photos, he is chickie number 3 to my award winning DF Yellow and the GreyGreen Spangle. He has lost his flights and more concerning some of his body feather as well - I don't know when he became infected, there has been a lot of panting going on and I am wondering whether there is a relationship ... I first became worried last Monday about my breeder birds - particularly the LightGreen Spangle boy who was in a cabinet above the DF Yellow chicks and by Tuesday I did notice that the Grey Spangle cock bird was also breathing rapidly. Fortunately all chickies in the Kindie Cage are unaffected but I still have 25 chicks in nest boxes which are vulnerable.

Well Medusa's son is up on the perch now and looking a bit more perky so that's good. But I have had to bring another Green split Blue boy in as he was sitting on the seed dish looking a bit sulky - and yes he was underweight too and he was panting. I have just done the daily water change and I am hoping that the affected birds start drinking the water medicated with Moxi T soon. If I don't see any improvement in a couple of days I will give it to them via the crop .... birds that are under the weather tend to stop eating and drinking so it is sometimes debatable whether they are getting the treatment.

Look if it's any consolation Double Factor Green or Dark Green Normals are few and far between over here too so you are not alone in trying to breed them yourself. And yes it is incredibly frustrating to discover your otherwise perfectly good Green cock bird is split. However, you soon learn to to ask the questions before buying and in the end I think it is more satisfying when you get your own line going.

Another little chickie arrived to the Normal Cobalt nest this morning, the second, and I am happy to report that so far the mother hen shows no signs of squashing the little ones. But I have had to bring inside Medusa's son. He was moping around on the floor of the aviary and when I caught him up he is light and not a happy chappy at all. I have crop fed him 2mls of Triple C (I do that with any bird as a first measure) and I will check on him in an hour or so. If he shows no signs of improvement I'll pop him into the warm hospital cage. Funnily enough it is the breeder birds that are looking worse for wear. The birds that went into the Cabinets and did nothing but produce clear eggs are showing no signs of ill health at all.

Oh that would give me the shits big time! You know chances are next time you have a go you'll have Normal Greens coming out of left right and center! (bloody Opalines and Cinnamons - wadyatellya, pervasive varieties that pop up like weeds when you least want them )

Well I think it is too early to worry about an outbreak of French Moult however, in the past couple of days 3 chickies that had fledged to the bottom of the Breeder Cabinets have lost feathers from their flights and tails. My lovely Normal Cobalt from the Grey Spangle nest and 2 of my DF Yellow chicks looking a bit raggedy They came out early just before I went into hospital a week ago and 'cause I knew I wouldn't be around to pop them back into the nest box several times a day I decided to close up the nest box and let them be with the parents. Not all chicks are affected, the Normal Grey sibling to the Normal Cobalt is fine and the eldest DF Yellow Spangle is unaffected. This is the block of Breeder Cabinets they are in - 3rd Right & 2nd Left Now last week I emptied some Breeder Cabinets of birds on infertile nests and popped these pairs into empty Breeder Cabinets above these. I mention this 'cause of course we have all been told that French Moult is carried on falling Feather Dust and of course in my absence there has been little but none hoovering of the cabinets. And I am thinking that if there has been an outbreak I should be able to pin point who the affected/carrier adults are. Now there is another explanation for these chicks to lose their feathers: it is not uncommon for newly fledged chicks to become dehydrated and lose feathers. And that is what I am hoping. But in the meantime all chicks are on a course of Doxy. A couple of years ago I did have an outbreak of French Moult with newly fledged chicks losing flights and tails and someone whose opinion I respect and trust recommended the Doxy treatment for instances like this and so I am going to repeat it now. Oh and I am sick and tired of all the panting that is going on and not fixing itself so now I am a bit more mobile I have put all adults on a 5 day course of Moxi T and if that doesn't fix it they will get a break before going onto Doxy. Trying to explain how to medicate the birds to my trusted but clueless helpers has meant that I have had to postpone any action required till I could get up and point!

Luckily it is not that big a deal .... Somewhere earlier in this thread I was talking up my plans to ring my chicks in chronological order - well that didn't happen and recent events have only compounded matters

Well today the first chick of the last fertile nest hatched today to Normal Cobalt and Normal Green split Blue hen! It is the second chick to this pair as they had one chick hatch out about a month ago and then the hen was squashing it so I transferred it to the DF Recessive Pied nest where it made a remarkable recovery and is just getting ready to fledge. For some reason I did not pull this pair straight away, she was still on some eggs, and they ended up going straight down again with better results - well I say better but I do not know for sure, it looks like there are at least another 3 eggs to hatch. I will have to keep a very strict eye on her in case she squashes any more chicks. No more news really but here is a photo of the Cobalt Dommie Pied nest of little chickies that hatched out this week -

Well Pete BD you are definitely doing the right thing by joining this forum and learning everything you can about budgies. There are plenty of posts and threads dedicated to Bird Health and Care and I recommend you do as much reading and researching as you can. The best thing you can do for yourself and future budgies is to be aware of what a HEALTHY budgie looks like and take it from there.

If ONLY No, they are somewhere in here - ... and I an't going to start rummaging through to find them Another little chickie arrived to the Cobalt Dommie Pied nest this morning, that makes it the 6th to this nest so far. I think the 3 eldest have been fostered (in fact I know 2 have) which leaves 3 with the mother hen I will have to wait for them to feather up before I am certain about chickie number 3 which may be with the DF Maiden Albino nest. The John Kobilanski Cobalt hen down to the Violet boy chucked out 3 eggs today so I have pulled them out of the Breeding Cabinet and put them into a cage with no access to a nest box for a few days. I just want to keep them under observation till I am happy they can return to the aviary. This pair has been a bit of a disappointment really. On both occasions the cock bird filled eggs but the first round got addled and in the second round only one hatched with 2 more DIS. The hen did not feed the chick well (too much air in the crop) and then when I swapped in an albino chick she did very well filling up its crop with food but within a few days it was starting to go pale in colour so I ended up swapping it back. It's a real shame in fact 'cause I was hoping she could be a back up foster for in case I have any issues with the one fertile nest to hatch or and feather plucking issues.

Mmmmm. A bit creepy for me too but whatever you chose to do to commemorate him will be your choice.

Wow, thanks for the photos Kaz. Funnily enough I had quite a number of eggs like that this year and a few had air bubbles in them as well. I didn't candle them but just chucked them. Next time if I get any more I will candle.

Thank you Pride Just being home is good enough. No real news today. I have discovered that in an endeavor to "tidy up" my Mum managed to dispose of 28 of my rings but this is a small matter, I did order a set of 50 extra so it is not as though I am running short! However, what I have noticed is that in my absence the nest of 3 DF Yellow chicks have fledged and the little mutant toed one is missing some neck feathers, as if they have been plucked out. I couldn't get a really good photo - this is the best I could do: I am thinking that the mother plucked it in the nest in order to get rid of it?