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Here some more pics of the cock. I'm not sure if you were talking about him, because you mentioned cobalt and such things... I don't think he's full body colour greywing. In this one there's the mother too. And I'm thinking she's a yellowface mut II, not a golcenface, but how can you tell the difference, they're very similar colouring, and both affect the bodycolour.

Thank you Sailorwolf. Yes, that's what I explained to the parents new owner; the mother is skyblue goldenface opaline with a violet gene and the baby is lightgreen violet opaline with split goldenface and greywing. And the father is just what he looks like. Finally I can explain her colour!! There will be more babies for the goldenface mom later on, maybe with another cock too (skyblue or cobalt violet...) and babies for my green baby too hopefully, with a skyblue violet split grey wing cock. So they should be having greens and blues with single and double violet factors and they would be greywings also. And also some greens and blues too, without violet. Exciting! But that's not until next spring, she's only 9 months now and her fianceé only 2 months.

That is very, very interesting!! Yes, the opaline part I figured out myself too ;)Now do you think it would be a good idea to mate her to a skyblue violet? Golcen face is dominant, but wouldn't there be a possibility to get normal coloured chicks too? Maybe better idea would be to try and get the goldenface better and find her a normal skyblue or cobalt?If she's a golden face, you must understand I'm highly suspicious.... But really, the mothers colour is hard to explain otherwise! The breeder called her neon green! There are very few breeders in finland who know which are the colours for the birds, they're just for pets.And yes it's the same bird... But I never noticed anything stange in that yellow colour in her chest, just thought it's part of the green. But would you say she's DF violet or how else to explain the much darker colour compared to her mother? That wold make the father violet too, and he doesn't look like it. And the chick can't have two dark factors either. So what's making her colour look so dark? Maybe the father is dark green, but just looks lighter because of the greywing?(Yes, it's my Cielo behind there, she's in a breeding cage at the moment. But nothing's happened yet....) A couple of more pictures, if it helps. I also have more of the mother and the father in case you need to see.

Thank you Elly! I think I like your solution a lot, I was hoping for her to have a violet gene and also split blue It's just that Golden faces here in Finland are extremely rare... But it's happened before, rare things! But please, feel free to suggest anything new!

I have this same question on several forums, so here something to think about for you too! (Changed links to pictures!) Below you can see the parents: And their offspring. At least three hens were this colour. And behind First of all, the breeder of ths chick (I only own the chick, not the parents) does not colony breed and he says this chick is 110% from these parents. The question is, what colour are the parents - visual/split - and what colour is the chick? So far I have worked out that the father is a light green greywing, split or visual opaline. Mother is light green also (??) opaline. Still they're both totally different shades of green. And the chick, she's olive or dark green. Which is not possible from so light coloured parents. So what is it that I can't see? Violet gene? Grey? Maybe the mother is a yellow face blue, you can see a tinge of blue on her neck... Maybe she's violet or he's grey? Help me! I would like to know the chicks colour as to decide to what coloured bird to mate her next year. She's now 9 months old. At least she would be split greywing. The cock I'm thinking for her is split greywing too, skyblue violet.

Maybe someone would still be interested in this topic, so I add a new picture. I found this bird today in a petshop, but didn't have chance to buy it. Now the petshop is 400km from here (i was only passing by), so I'm trying to figure out a way maybe to get my hands on her. :hap: Because from what I know, she is possibly an Easley Clearbody too, or what do you think?? From behind I couldn't get a better picture, the other birds (cockatiels) were getting nervous.

They are really beautiful chicks! #3 is my favourite I think, the markings of faint grey are extraordinary. Congratulations Neat!

Finally confirmed; it's an Easley clearbody. I contacted the belgian breeder (link I put before) and he told me the news. Also wished he would have lots of babies, because Easley is very rare, though the gene is dominant. Thank you everyone for participating and for giving new ideas and ways to look atbudgies coloring!!

http://www.bestofbreeds.net/belgianbs/engl...bs/mervilde.htm There's a Belgian breeder at least.

But opaline wouldn't explain that light body color would it? Unless a strong yellow/golden face could mess the body colour?? Incase it was YF. The cheek patches look brown in that small face picture, but they're actually black, I got it confirmed, I actually thought they were brown... We've been asking some more pictures from the front, let's see if we get some. Though the one I put is quite good already.

I'm sorry for being so vague, ECB would stand for Easley Clearbody, which has black flight feathers, but is even more rare than TCB. I'm really confused now, as the finnish forum is sure it could be no clearbody as they're really rare on Europe and only a few breed them, so the other conclusion is an opaline. A grey green opaline, maybe. I actually just listen what everybody has to say! I'm glad people do say what they think and I really hope he is TCB (or "ECB" ) 'cause we have none. I guess the owner should try breeding with him and that would settle this conversation! But thank you anyway for explaning everything for me. I now know a whole lot more about clearbodies. EDIT: And by the way now, after seeing the front, also the expert in the english forum says it's a TCB, OR a fallow, incase it has red eyes. I asked about those eyes and now be waiting for the answer.

One more thing I didn't notice, it has black flight wings to the end. TCB's are supposed to have white or nearly white flight wings. So if he was a clearbody, more like Easly. But if TCB's are rare here, ECB's I think were almost impossible to come to!

I was thinking about a clearbody, but then he doesn't have ANY markings at the back of his head and that confused me a bit. I read that thread all through when I was trying to figure out what he is. We don't have any Texas Clearbodys in Finland until now! And thanks for the definition, I'm still hoping someone else would come to the same conclusion, too, not that I don't respect yours.

A frontal view

That's quite true, thank you Derek! If I still manage to get a front on picture, too, I promise to post it here.

In the finnish forum someone put out a picture below asking what is the colour. Unfortunately there are no front pictures, maybe later, I asked for some. I can see brown cheek spots, or whatever they called, patches seem a little lilac/violet to me. What do you think? Anyone?? We have only one real colour expert in Finland who's active enough to answer the color questions, and she's not online now, and I'm not patient enought to wait for her! Here he is:

I don't know about spangle... But below you can see the wing feathers a little better. I think I have to get to know these little birds a bit better and then maybe, when we have more than 10 show/ english budgies here in our contry I might consider the next step They are really rare nowadays. But thank you for the idea, I might just do that later on! It's for the birds only. There's not a lot of features in this house of ours But the birds love it, and have nibbled off all the bark. I should replace it to give them more job... Here a couple of more pics:

I thought you might be eager to solve out Loisto's sex. I know that all the outer factors indicate that it's female, like the coloring and the cere, but then there's the behaviour, trying to feed the others, sing nicely (though he really can't..) and even hop on the back of Nieve and he gets real pissed off... But here's an updated picture. The cere is something between light brown and pink. I think the pics quite truthful too... And I know, you say it's a hen... So, I just have to get some more cocks. I don't mind, actually!

Oh, okay! So I'll just pop it back then.

Thank you! I guess I shouldn't be waiting for too many replies yet, when the time zone is quite something else there! I just edited the photo a bit smaller as I noticed that in some threads pictures had been turned into links because they were bigger than 450x450? And in the terms and conditions ect. it says the max size 640x480? Now which one is correct? I'm confused, I don't want to make it harder for the moderators either!

Hello everyone! I just registered today, found a link from the Swedish budgie forum conversation. And as I'm addicted to budgie forums I had to register rigt away. I think budgie people are most wonderful! I'm 26, still a student and I live with my husband and 5 budgies and 3 dogs. Below is a photo of my budgies, from left to right my eldest one Viva 12 years old cobolt opaline hen. Then Veera 6 months also opaline olive green hen. The following two, Cielo (opaline sky blue hen) and Nieve (sky blue recessive pied cock) are English ones, as we call them here. We don't have shows in Finland, and those are not quite that quality either - they're small, so I don't call them show budgies... The second last is Nokinenä: a mauve yellow face mut II cock, but him I don't have anymore. And finally Loisto, my little favourite: an olive green australian pied cinnamon opaline. Not sure about his sex either, he/she's only 5 months. Though I keep hoping he's a boy, as we're lacking some, but I guess cinnamon opaline says a lot already... I had my first budgies when I was 14, other one of them was the before mentioned Viva. Now after many years of neglecting her (she's been living with my parents, not neglected ) I took her under my wings again and got her new friends too and now I can't stop talking about my birds! My plans are to breed some, too and try and find some more english budgies. They're quite rare here. I already like you forum a lot, been here and there reading the conversations, and it seems really thorough. Thank you for the wonderful maintenance and keep it up!