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The male to the left is DEFINITELY dom pied. okay, just a thought! And yes, he seems to have a very dominant pied looking spot on the back of his head. I only thought, because he wears so little markings and has that yellow beak. Funny that some of the chicks still have so black eyes and then again some already very clear iris rings.

I have a budgie, now 10 months old who seems to have no iris ring though she actually has, it's just very dark grey. And I've seen grown birds with iris rings very dark grey... Though of course, it could be just a reflection, too

Look at the chick on the far right - it has the most peculiar colour in the chest and buttocks, a lot like the mom has. Like a blue line going through the body vertically. The mother just has it the other way around. But I believe that the albino cannot be the father of these chicks. Even if they were all yellowface type II's. Some of them have a very strong green and yellow colour in them and they must be the green series birds... Yellowface shouldn't look so strong in just babies but the colour increases through every molt. But the chicks are a beautiful bunch of pieds! (the dad should be a dominant pied in this case or even a DF because it seems to me all the chicks are pied... ) The female chick in the middle indeed has a distorted beak... Is there something one can do with a beak like that? Isn't it going to make it really hard for the bird to eat? The male chick next to her on the left looks like a recessive pied...

I thought I saw a little bit of a dark iris ring in Primos eye in the picture where he's looking at the camera... If he's a young bird the ring might not yet be all white. But maybe I didn't see well. Anyways a recessive pieds eye should be totally black, without a faintest hint of a ring - any colour. But so many have said he's a recessive and I thought it too at first, so he must be one. So beautiful bright yellow! Lovely birds!!!

If the father is a split cinnamon and the chick is hen, she can well be a cinnamon. Yellowface skyblue cinnamon dilute....

Dilute and cinnamon together might explain the light bodycolour.

But isn't a lacewing supposed to have red eyes like an ino would have? This chicks eyes might look a bit red because of the cinnamon gene, but they would get all black later on. I think they are too black for a lacewing.. If she was to be a lacewing, she ought to have red eyes already... But if there's a better photo available, I would like to see it too You can see the cinnamon markings quite well in the upper picture in the wings, from the other pics I would have said it's a greywing...

Thank you everyone for your opinions. I know wouldn't breed her if she was just a normal coloured bird, because of her age. Clearbodies just are non existent here in Finland and when I spotted this bird in a pet shop and asked around about her and when there's a suspicion she might be a cleabody, even though a badly marked one, I thought I should give her a try. I have only these split ino cocks to choose from and I have read that theres a 25% possibily that one of the chicks turned out clearbody (a cock). I will try breeding another couple at the same time, if it seems something won't work out I could give them the eggs and in anyways try to be prepared for the worst... I think maybe the best choice would be the cock who has experience and has also taken care of chicks alone as his previous partner plucked the little ones and had to be removed. He handled the chicks well alone. I hope too many of you won't judge me hard.

Maybe I shouldn't try it then. In that picture though she's in the sick cage and on antibiotics because she was missing one toe when she came to me. At the moment she's one of the most liveliest hens I have in my flock, though you can notice she's older compared to 1 - 2 years old hens by the way she perches. Here are few better pictures, that was the only one I had online and I was lazy to put prettier ones... But if you really think I shouldn't breed with her, I would like to know, please!Here she's now a few week ago. Now when she's put together with other birds (I tried to breed with my only couple I have and it didn't succeed so now all the birds are together again with my only cock) her cere has become stronger brown and she's being very noisy! I thought it might soon have been good time for breeding... Her cere now

So you think it's a bad idea try breeding... She's is a bit old yes, but had one clutch before, according to the previous owner, so she wouldn't be a first timer at least.

I don't know about the hens background, I've had her only a few months and before that she's been in several places. I've only heard from a previous owner that she's had chicks in another place before hers... So I don't know how those chicks looked like. And it's only a guess she's a clearbody, she might be something else too. But. I guess I should maybe go for the more experienced cock...? Neat: That's why I think it's good both cocks are split inos. At least Hulk, as he's produced ino hens. Ukko's mother was a lutino.

I have a possible clearbody hen Trixie. She's dark green opaline and a badly marked clearbody, meaning a lot of green suffusion in her body. She is something between a Texas clearbody and an Easley clearbody. She has black markings like an Easley clearbody would have (no grey at all exept the opaline patch in her wing feathers) but she has violet/blue cheek patches like a Texas clearbody would have. Easley would have them grey or grey blue. I have been adviced by a clearbody breeder to breed her with a normal green cock. I now have to possibilities where to choose from. Ukko is normal green cock split ino, blue and possibly opaline. 3 years old, no breeding experience. Healthy and quite tame. Hulk is normal green violet cock split ino, blue, greywing and also has the yellow face gene. 5 years old. bred two clutches with a same hen all healthy good sized chics. Healthy, not tame. Trixie dark green opaline clearbody. 4 - 5 years, bred once. So, what do you think?? I hope someone has an opinion...

If she has a navy blue tail, she's a mauve. If the tail is black, she's grey. Same with green and grey greens. She has also some blue tinge in her breast, but I think a grey budgie can have it too. It's the tail that tells it all! (Unless a bird is a recessive pied grey, or any other mutation when the tail is almost all white or yellow.)

Could be, but I think he could be dark green too, because the green colour is so deep all over and there's no blue on his neck (though the picture should be better to be sure...), I mean he could be only split blue with the yellowface type II or goldenface gene or with a violet gene to give him that blue shade. So I would say he's split blue with either yellowface type II or golden face or violet gene. Better picture of his face would tell if it had the yellow/golden face. Sure I cannot be.

I'm going for the baby question Taken that the cock is a skyblue yellowface type II and the hen is a skyblue (or cobalt?) cinnamon (now, she might be an opaline too, I cannot say until I see her back) The babies would come out to be accordingly: 50.0% males: blue yellowface II /cinnamon 50.0% males: blue yellowface II Dominant pied /cinnamon 50.0% females: blue yellowface II 50.0% females: blue yellowface II Dominant pied And If the hen is also opaline all the male chicks would be split opaline as well as cinnamon. And if the hen is cobalt, half of the chicks would cobalts and half skyblues. Otherwise all the chicks will be skyblues. The blue colour is a bit hard to define from a photo when the basic colour is diluted by the cinnamon gene. But these are only the odds - they might end up with something totally different :hap: And yes, I used the genetic calculator

I guess it is impossible to tell then. The grey over ruling all the other colours. My friend has a grey green female now in a breeding cage with a light blue DF dominant pied, so we will see how the chicks will turn out to be

I try once more... In the green series bird there are three different shades, yes, light - dark - olive green. A green series bird can carry a grey factor. I would like to know, if one can identify in a grey green bird weather it has none - one - or two dark factors. So if the bird is light green with a grey factor - a dark green bird with a grey factor - or an olive green bird with a grey factor- Does anyone know what I mean?? People always only talk about mixing the grey green and the olive green, but no one has explained how to tell how many dark factors there are in a greygreen bird. They're always just identified as greygreen and no one bothers to think weather the basic colour id light or dark or olive... I guess the best way (maybe the only wy) to tell the amount of dark factors, would be to know the parents dark factors or to breed with it.

Oh, I didn't mean that, I know the difference between a greygreen and olive green; I would like to know what is the difference between an olive green WITH a greyfactor and e.g. a light green with a grey factor. Or a dark green as well, but I guess the contrast would be bigger in a light green and an olive green... That I was wondering, would it be impossible to say the difference in greygreen birds - is it possible to tell how many dark factors do the carry? not to meantion if it carries double or single grey factors, but let's not think about that.... I guess if a light green bird would carry DF grey... well it could look like anything. I don't know if you get what I mean... It's really complicated with all these factors!!

I've been searching pictures of greygreen budgies especially; to learn to indentify the different shades in them when there are none or 1-2 dark factors. Is it utterly impossible to tell? Or is there a way to identify the level of darkness? I guess in blue series it ought to be easier.

Ah, you mean the chicken hawk! He's a cutie! You can read all about those funny looking "clearbodies" over here http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=19960 you have visited that thread too. It so happens, that I found a very similar hen myself just lately and of course I had to have it. Now it's just matter of time and luck what will be the outcome when and if they have offspring. We are not mating them together (800km of distance) but to a normal green hen and cock. I have discussed about those birds with a clearbody breeder and he has come to conclusion they would both be something in between the Easley and Texas clearbody. And my breeder friend thinks it would be just a funny coloured pied... and slowly I'm thinking that too. Ones comes sceptical seeing the bird in her cage everyday - could she be a rarity?? - .... ... naaah. :hap:

Beautiful birds dodger. :hap: I was thinking about that Clearbody, because I have heard from a breeder that TCB's are supposed to have (NOTE: Only supposed to, the outcome might be anything, afterall) dark lilac/violet, shade of blue cheek patches and easley cleabodies have grey cheeck patches. But this one has grey flight feathers, too, like TCB's are supposed to. I went throught the Members TCB's thread too, but there were also birds with grey and lilac cheek patches. I guess the only way to tell would be to mate them and see how the chicks are... I mean TCB is sex linked and Easley Clearbody is dominant. This one is also a cock, and as TCB is sex-linked, cocks would be a rarity compared to hens... Well. I was just thinking, because I have a hen that looks a bit like a clearbody, but has violet cheekpatches and then again not grey flight feathers, so she's exactly the other way around... Just to mess up you thoughts, I guess.

Or is it spangle? If it is, then I don't think it's a greywing. I'm not very good at identifying spangles, especially when there is so little wing pattern to be seen. :hap:

I think you are right with your conclusion - A clearwing would have only blue on it's rump, no white belt as your bird has. So it's a dominant pied YF2 (or 1 - it has a lot of white on her neck and around the eye.) greywing opaline hen. Very pretty!

A dark green violet. Isn't he just a cutie!! Not mine though... EDIT: Hee, now that I can compare them, the colours seem quite alike... But he (the chick above) has no yellowface gene... Oh well, who knows, maybe my chick is a dark green too.

The cock has not produced any cinnamon babies (females, but normal black opaline). I thought too, that the spots on his neck looked a little brown, but all the female chicks ought to have been cinnamons in that case. But I guess the case is clear; the chick's light green (or possibly dark green, but I think light) violet 1 factor opaline and split for blue yellow/goldenface and greywing. In green series birds, yellowface is always split. I can show you a picture of dark green violet too, if you wish.