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Well, I didn't say anything about a split cinnamon, but the father must be, because on of the chicks is a cinnamon. And I guess that also makes half the boys split cinnamons, but you can't tell which ones...

I'll post this here too: Here's a link to a picture http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/ti...et/DSC03732.jpg Of those babies now. The smallest one is missing, still in the nest with the parents gathering some more weight. So, when I first thought the father was a double factor dominant pied (iris ring, only little colour and markings) and all the babies should have been dom pieds there turned out to be: 1 dom pied 3 recessive pieds 1 normal and 1 cinnamon 1 greywing and normals!! :yes: What a bunch!! That cinnamon girl though has dark red eyes still, she's over a month old. Those odd brownish markings were because of the recessive pied gene, also the cinnamon seems to be a recessive pied as well as the smallest of the chicks. The mother of the clutch was a greygreen opaline, now obviously split recessive too!! The father is either a dominant pied and recessive pied both visual in him, or only split recessive and rather strange looking dominant pied.

Here's a link to a picture http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/ti...et/DSC03732.jpg Of those babies now. The smallest one is missing, still in the nest with the parents gathering some more weight. So, when I first thought the father was a double factor dominant pied (iris ring, only little colour and markings) and all the babies should have been dom pieds there turned out to be: 1 dom pied 3 recessive pieds 1 normal and 1 cinnamon 1 greywing and normals!! :yes: What a bunch!! That cinnamon girl though has dark red eyes still, she's over a month old. Those odd brownish markings were because of the recessive pied gene, also the cinnamon seems to be a recessive pied as well as the smallest of the chicks. The mother of the clutch was a greygreen opaline, now obviously split recessive too!! The father is either a dominant pied and recessive pied both visual in him, or only split recessive and rather strange looking dominant pied.

That's true

I must have been really vague in my sayings!! Sorry about that! So the thing I was wondering was the colour of the wing markings on that skyblue pied chick in the middle of the second picture. She hasn't got exactly black feathers nor are they brown. Neither are the greywing grey. Neville got me right. I also think she's just a normal coloured pied, though even those pied markings are a little funny. And there are actually two opalines Elly, from first picture to the second left to right: a skyblue opaline yf, skyblue pied yf. And the second picture: grey cinnamon, blue opaline peaking, the same skyblue pied yf, and a light green pied opaline. The mom is a greygreen opaline and dad looking like a skyblue DF dominant pied greywing yf, but apparently is a SF pied greywing yf split opaline and cinnamon. You can see him in this thread http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=22393 Where I was wondering the fact that a bird looking like that is actually a SF dominant pied. And the eyes of this baby are black kaz The cinnamon one has still slightly red eyes - very dark, though she's already over a month old, but then again, so does the fatherm and he's 3 years old. I hope I wrote it down better this time!

These chicks are from the same pair I have put another thread here. The father is obviously a split cinnamon and he has produced a pied which seems to be something in between a normal and a cinnamon. Does anyone have any experience of such colours? Here's she with a blue opaline. The colour is exactly the same shade as my recessive pied has. And here with a cinnamon and a green opaline - she looks like a mix of those two

A new photo of the cinnamon baby! So pretty... Still dark red eyes, no visible body colour, but it might turn out to be grey. Mother was grey green and I think a grey cinnamon would look like nearly white. Don't know if she's a pied though?

The chick is already 23 days old. The eyes are dark red. Maybe you could call it plum? But I think the best is to wait for the body colour to develop. It should tell more. Here's her eye, a bit bad shot tho.. (I hope the pics not too big again!!)

She's also got a little red eyes. Might be just because of the cinnamon gene, but she doesn't yet show any body colour. Could be a lacewing! But let us wait for the feathers to grow up.. Are the eyes of a lacewing supposed to be as red as an ino would have? Does anyone have experience of lacewings?

I'm not sure if links to oversized pics were allowed so I fixed them to be able to post the images... Those aren't mine (but I've got permission to use them) so that's why the size was wrong to begin with.

Now one of the chicks is showing cinnamon markings, so the daddy's also split cinnamon. Or should we say brown, because you never know if it's a cinnamon or something else.. That chick is also pied, but a very peculiar pied indeed. Here are some pics http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/ti...et/DSC03292.jpg http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/ti...et/DSC03295.jpg Moderator’s Message images oversized, please resize to 640x480 before posting images, thank you

It's not exactly pink like for example a recessive pied would have, it's more like very light pink with a tinge of lilac. Good point, I didn't even think of that. And no, all the chicks are not opaline, the father is hence split.

That is my friends bird who is a small scale breeder (as we are all here in Finland). He's the father of those babies in the links I've put and about 3 years old. He must be a sf dominant pied, because some of the chicks are and the mother is a normal greygreen opaline. He might be also visual opaline, it's hard to tell really, when so little markings are showing. I don't know what would explain the cere colour. It has always been like that. I was thinking a bout a possibility of him being both dominant and recessive pied? They do not always have the spot in the head and I guess if those two mutations were visual in one bird they eyes should either have an iris ring or then not... Well. Just a guess. I really have no idea why is that bird looking like he is.

Those eyes are a little even without the flash when looked only with your eye, but it could be nothing important. He was thought to be a hen by his previous owner. Was even put to a breeding cage with a cock :question: Nothing happened so it was switched to a hen and things got going! The photos of the chicks can be found here and here. I have no idea if there could be some clearflights too. They are so small yet, that the rump hasn't got any feathers except for the biggest chicks. But there are some normals there too in those chicks. I agree, tho I think only a split opaline. I guess he's just a funny looking dominant pied then??

The cere is always the same. We also had thought about the spangle. No spangle chicks this far though. They have been in a separate breeding cage and it took a while before the first eggs came - so no other cocks involved. I agree So many different colours and so pretty!

Something like that! I think fallows and lacewings are supposed to have clearly red eyes. I think his red eyes are due to the light and diluted, nearly all white colouring... tho who am I to say! The same way as cinnamons might have a little red tinge in their eyes.

Dominants. You can see some pics here: http://tirpystenperheenundulaatit.blogspot...t-kasvavat.html The eyes are not that red. Usually they seem quite black only in some lighting you can see some red in them. Normal iris rings as you can see.

To a grey green opaline hen. Her mother was an ino and father blue.

They are a little bit red, yes. But only a little.

My friend has a cock which looks exactly like a DF dominant pied, but produces both pieds and normals. He's a skyblue or cobalt yellowface greywing dominant pied. But is there something else too? Here's a picture of him:

It looks a bit like a boy yes. From those parents you mentioned, fifty percent of all the chicks, boys and girls, will be dominant pied. There's no such as split for dominant pied because it's a dominant gene. However, all the boys will be split for opaline and all the girls will be opaline. This chick looks like a normal pied and if it's a boy, it will be split for opaline.

In the unlikely event that it was non sex linnked ino then, because it is recessive, it wouldn't mask dominant mutations Very good point! I hadn't even thought of that. So you're saying actually, that the cock cannot be an NSL ino AND have all these dominant pied and spangle babies if the mother is a normal. And if he would be a normal ino and the father of these babies, there should be some ino chicks. So this all means that he isn't the father of these babies, cannot possibly be, right?

I suppose the most likely explanation would be that the hen's indeed gotten around. NSL ino is very rare and it would mean both the father birds parents just happened to have this recessive and rare gene. Highly unlikely...

What do we know about half-siders? The bird has two basic colours. Does it mean, that if it has more green, it is of the green series and if more blue it is of the blue series? I think not. I don't know anything about half-siders breeding; meaning how will the chicks look. But I think the mom can very likely be a green series half-sider, what do we know. And that would explain ell the chicks being green, or yellow face blues... And what comes to ino dads having all ino female chicks. Those are only the odds and it doesn't mean all the females should be inos. Nature does what it wants to... :hap: In this case - no ino chicks! Well, at least this is how I think it has to work... :hap:

What I think is, that the hen is a half-sider (which I think is quite amazing and REALLY rare) and she's of the green series. Orange wings I have never heard of, and there is no colour such as orange in the whole colour series of budgies. Maybe they meant the half-sider?? The father is an albino, which can hide almost any mutation underneath and in this case the father is a SF spangle and most likely a DF dominant pied. That would mean that his grey father is a pied and a split ino and his mother is a pied underneath the ino gene. But he could be only a SF pied and just happened to have all these pied chicks. I find this a way to explain all those green, pied and spangled chicks. What I don't understand is, that one of the chicks seems to be a half-sider too, though it isn't a hereditary gene... So you explained the iris rings too, some of them are from a different clutch, right? But this has nothing to do with the subtitle does it? Here the ino gene has acted quite normally, the grey cock (grand father of these chicks) is a split ino. The father is an ino, but none of the baby chicks has inherited it, it happens. But it's funny (and scary) how many different mutations can an ino keep in it... I guess I just almost repeated all that luisa said, but it made it more clear for myself!! It's a really rare couple and outcome I must say!!