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But could it be for example cobalt violet greywing? I mean, when the body colour would be excessively strong without the greywing and then with it, look rather normal? Because I can't see the brightness it ought to have, if clearwing. The body colour is rather dull blue.

So, she has black eyes and I agree with most of you, greywing/dilute opaline TCB. She's here in Finland and I hope not too old to breed. I guess RIP could be right with the dilute, having so many points there to agree with.

A mystery to me.. Unfortunately I can only link you to the site http://www.petsie.fi/pet.php?petid=32073&a...4&showAll=1

Yeah, it's -20 here!! But the birds are warm inside. The hen is the kind that doesn't get brown cere ever, so it's hard to tell if she's in condition or not. She's dropped a whole bunch of feathers now that she's been sitting, maybe too much, so I think I really better give them a break. Thanks for your advise, I'd really rather see them with the others after such a long time and I don't think they would mind it either. At least they've bonded now, so it hopefully won't take so long to get things going next time.

I'm a beginner what comes to breeding and I have my first two couples incubating at the moment. The other pair are pet type, they have 3 eggs and all are fertile. She's been sitting on them well from the day she lay and first is due on the 11th. The other couple then is my - not so succesfull - show type couple. Not really show show type, as they're quite small and don't have so very long feathers, but recognizable as show type anyways. This pair has quite a long history in the breeding cage as I tried them together first time in July-Sep 2008. But they didn't even succeed in mating, hen was interested in the nest box and ready for mating though so I put them on a break and then together again in November, still very quiet. In december I put this other couple, pet type, into another breeding cage and after seeing/hearing them, the show type cock too started trying to mate with the hen (I never saw a proper try) and only 2 days after the pet type hen laid and egg, the show type hen laid and egg too. Just that hers are empty. Both couples are first timers. So this show type couple had two eggs 26th and 28th of Dec. The hen had been sitting on them quite a lot and then she spent a whole night outside a box. After this she lay one more egg. I candled those some 3 days later and they seemed all empty. She took a 4 days break to lay one more (so the eggs were laid 26.12, 28.12, 30.12 and 3.1). After the third (and the night spent outside) she has been sitting on them very well. Anyways. I've candled the eggs a couple of times now and they all seem to be empty. Now I wonder what I should do. The latest egg was laid on the 3rd of this month, hen has been sitting on it well and it still shows very empty as well as all the other 3 eggs. The couple has been in the breeding cage for 2½ months now, heavier feeding and incubating for the last 4 - 3 weeks. Should I remove these infertile eggs and wait for yet new ones? Or is it time to put the couple on a break and let them have some other company too? I have offered them plenty of fresh food, egg food, calcium, good lighting and a dark nice sized nest box. I think the problem here is the cock does not yet know how to mate succesfully. All I am worried about, if the couple is already too worn out from attempting or do I dare to ask them for more eggs my removing the first ones and keeping them in the breeding cage? Do the show type couples usually have more difficulties what comes to mating? Their plumage is not long, so I don't think plucking the feathers from the cloaca area would do the trick here... Please, if you have any advice, I would appriciate it!

I would make one more addition to the bird referred to as a greywing sky, I think it's a cobalt or even mauve or then it has the violet factor. The blue is very darkish kind of diluted blue, at least to be a sky. Would love to see his(/hers) colour closer from back and front. A beautiful flock Kyles!

T'was great to read about this. My friend had a cock looking like a DF pied and he produced normals, recessive pieds and dominant pieds - and actually 3 out of 6 were recessive pieds, 2 normals and 1 dominant. We were so sure about him being a DF pied too, so you can imagine how surprised we were to get all that. I thought he might have been a combination of dominant pied and a recessive pied, but now that I've read about others I guess he too, is just an odd case dominant pied. You can read about him and his clutch in here http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=22393

I don't think he'll worry to much about what variety/colour is as long as it is a girl. I'll give you two parings to consider. I am not going to worry about colours or other mutations. Pairing 1. FBC Greywing X Greywing Result: 50% Greywing: 50% FBC Greywing OR Pairing 2. FBC Greywing X Clearwing Result: 50% FBC Greywing: 50% Clearwing Take you pick it will depend on what you visually want. The darker markings of the Greywing or go more for a light shade of grey with the Clearwing. I would definitely go for pairing with a clearwing, there's just one but; I haven't yet seen a single clearwing here in Finland . But greywings are nice too. My friend will have a split greywing hen to pair with him if he wants to breed in the end of this year, she's cobalt yellowface type I (it would be better without the yellowface, but we don't have much choice up here...) - I will possibly have some violet spangle greywing chicks in the summer, so I will donate one for her and maybe we'll get more FBC chicks and possibly also double violets I'm so excited about this boy, hope everything will go fine and he turns out to be a good cock to breed with.

Thanks RIP! So if we find him a greywing girlfriend, half of the chicks will be FBC's and half greywings, this is SO great! I'm talking "we", because I live in a nearby village to my friend and I will possibly see some of his offspring in my house some day...

I haven't ever seen an FBC (full-body-colour-greywing) or a goldenface and I thought this might be one.. Could you tell me if I was right or wrong? Maybe just a yellowface? (pics are too big to put here, my friend's put them online) And does anyone know, if a FBC-greywing is paired to a split greywing, is there a possibility to get FBC-greywings? http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/ti...et/DSC04641.jpg http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/ti...et/DSC04643.jpg

Here I've got some new evidence on that DF grey theory. There's a breeder in UK who got a bunch of grey chicks from a grey couple. One of the chicks is grey green like the one in the thread and indeed has grey feathers among the grey green feathers. Also as a chick he was "shining through" grey, just like my chick here. Here a picture of that british chick: (not sure if the pics too big in height, as I just copied the address, but can aswell change it to a link is necessary. I have a permission from the owner to use the photo,) And also I got a new grey green hen myself, and sheäs a lot darker in colour than my other grey green hen, which looks more yellowish, like the one above. I first actually thought she was an olive green, but the cheeck patches are clearly grey and there's no blue in the tail feathers. I think she might be a double dark factor grey green, which means that her basic colour is olive green. Or possibly dark green, with only one dark factor, which would make my other grey greens light greens as their basic colour.

In those pics it seems like you've got a german fallow (the blue one) and an english fallow. It is also not recommendable to pair a german and an english fallow, as all the offspring will be black-eyed and split for both german and english fallow. Very beautiful birds anyway. :hug:

It looks like a TCB hen. The cock is not a clearbody, does it have red eyes or is it a DEC or DF spangle? If the cock is a lutino, there's a possibility a to get some visual TCB from this pair, otherwise only some split TCB cocks. Good luck with the pairing!

To me it seems like from left to right english, german and english. English fallows seem to have all red eyes, where as germans have pink iris rings. But I'm no real expert, only seen one fallow ever, others online

His present owner kindly enough took a few more pics taken in bird lamp light and one in a incandescent lamp light. So here's the true colour But I'll post more images, if something new turns out, he's in the middle of the first moult, I think, at the moment.

Yeah, I forgot to mention that YF2 bit It would be nicer really, if he was YF type 2 grey.

okay then. I'll be updating this thread sometime in next December then, when the matings are done and some outcome can be seen So the parents of this grey green chick were two grey greens (the hen also opaline) who produced one light green cinnamon girl and one light green normal boy and this grey green opaline boy. This boy will be paired up with a cinnamon grey girl later on next year. So they should produce some greys (50%) and normals (25%) and possibly DF greys (25%) and if he's a DF grey all the chicks will be 50% SF and 50% DF greys. I hope for tons of cinnamon greys Until next year...!

I don't know about that... If he would be a grey YF2, he would have been grey as a chick with only a little yellow on his mask first and not until after the first moult he would have started looking like he's now. But he was a normal looking grey green first and then started to show more grey in his stomach. And if he was to be a YF2 as both his parents are grey green too, one of them ought to have strong yellow mask to indicate the yellow face gene, but neither of them has.Just my thoughts. So none of your birds looking like this can be DF grey green? As in both their parents are grey/grey greens? Thanks Neville. I was thinking about those dark factor things ealier on too. So maybe he's an olive green grey. Or then a YF type 2 grey. If he will be mated with that grey girl, there ought not to be any greens in the chicks, if that is the case. :)So there is no difference between SF and DF greys?

Oh well, I've just read it somewhere, that all the grey's carry blue. But now one of the parent's ought to look the same like him, and they don't... Unless YFI could have the same effect and one of them is carrying it double when it wouldn't show at all. So there's no possibility with your birds, that they are DF greys?

I'm sorry Kaz, possibly it's that flash again, I haven't taken those photos.Another oneThough funny now that I put it there, you can compare the wings to he's brother who seems to have brown wings in this photo, though I always thought he was a normal green. Maybe it's that flash. But anyway, you can see, that in this picture, despite the flash, the gregreen boy has black markings. The mother anyway is an opaline without cinnamon and the father is a normal greygreen, so the boys can't be cinnamons.I'm sure my birds don't enjoy the flash, but here, at this time of year there is no light from outside and pictures are impossible to take in a normal day- or roomlight. They turn out black. Good thinking, that's possible, I guess. I have one green girl who's YF II green, and has a visible, strong yellof mask. These birds don't have it. In first wing picture possibly because of the flash, he does seem like a yellow face, but in type II the colour would develop stronger later on. So we'll keep that in mind. :)And by the way, all grey greens carry the blue factor. Grey is a blue series colour, like violet, and like violet green birds, grey greens also are split blue, always.

He's an opaline greygreen, only possibly split cinnamon, as his sister is a cinnamon.

I think that photo was taked with a flash. But I can see the same with my bare eyes. If looked from side, the whole stomach looks grey - it's like only the tips of the feathers are grey. Otherwise he's just a normal greygreen opaline. Here's a little older photo Here's the wings too.

I have a grey green couple who produced one grey chick. He looked a little different shade than the parents even as a chick but now the variation is huge. This chick doesn't live with me anymore, but with another breeder who has a grey girl to breed with her. So my question is if anyone has the same kind of grey plumage on any of their grey greens? And if those birds have turned out to be, or could be DF greys. As a chick, there was only a grey shimmer in his chest when looked at from a spesific angle, but now the grey in the body is very distinguishable, as you can see. In the chicks picture you can also see his wife-to-be in the background. He could also be carrying the cinnamon gene, so there could be some really pretty babies coming along, especially is he's a DF grey. A greygreen chick His parents

I think it's a Texas clearbody too. An easley is dominant, so you should have had half the chicks cleabodies. Your hen seems to have black flight feathers like an Easley CB should have but she's missing grey cheek spots. TCB's have blue cheek spots like you girl here and I've seen TCB's with black flight feathers too. If any of the chicks is a boy, he will be a split TCB and all his female chicks will be TCB's. But maybe you already knew that! Easley Clearbody is a very rare mutation and as I said it's a dominant gene, so with one ECB you should be capable of producing more visual Easleys and they should have that yellow rump from the birth. Your chicks seem all to be normal light green opalines.

Here are the parents: Mum is a grey cinnamon opaline and Dad is a cobalt normal. If he is a male, then dad is also split to cinnamon that is the only way you can get a visual male cinnamon out of this clutch because mum give only 1 cinnamon gene to her male chicks (which make them split not visual unless they get one from dad too). BUT you know the chick looks kind of opaline too? Am I right on this? If so the dad would have to be split for opaline because it works just like the cinnamon gene. Could that be? If so what is the % that the dad is carrying both sex-linked genes too - could be? He can't be spangle, as Neville said because neither parents are spangle . Both parents are carrying the dilute gene, good to know and put in your records The dad carries both cinnamon and opaline, because there are cinnamons and opalines in those chicks I have a cock split for those two, too. I think that yellowface thingy is a bit more complicated . Neither of the parents show this dominant gene and if they have it double (type I) it would show as a white face. BUT if one of them is a double factor yellow face type I then shouldn't all the chicks be yellow faces? And to me it does look kinda spangle, too. Really odd case! But so beautiful chicks!!!