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I'll try to find a copy of that and maybe it will help (I haven't found it yet), and I read their genetic walkthrough on the site and although I under stand how they 'work' genetically, I don't know what they look like as I haven't heard of these mutations until now. So here are my questions that should probably be moved to the genitics forum but here they are. Hopefully someone can help clear these up for me. 1) What is the difference between a golden face and a yellow face visually? 2) What is a Creamface look like? 3) if Blue Mutant 1 is sky blue, would a cobalt be a b*m1 with SF dark? 4) What is the visual/genetic difference in a brownwing vs a cinamon? 5) What is a Faded looke like? Never heard of this. 6) What is the diffrence between an English and a German Fallow? visually? 7) Dark Wing Modifier (DW) this is a genetic alteration - what does this look like and how do you tell if a bird has this? 8) What is the difference between Australian and Dutch Dominant Pied? visually? 9) When looking at a visually grey budgie, how do you know if it is DF recessive Grey or SF dominant grey + Blue Mutant 1?

Your spangles are beautiful! welcome to the forums

Thanks Kaz, hopefully he'll be able to help

I'd love to try it, but can't find where to get it. The geocities site that I found the download links no longer work. What is the differences between them?

I tried to look into the Budgerigar Program that Daz linked but none of the downloads on the site worked for me to try the 'trial' version. I was able to locate the Bird Tracker program he formally used for now and am running the trial version to see how I like it before buying them. Does anyone have a link that works to download the trial version of the Buderigar Program 2006? Otherwise, what software do most people use for tracking their breeding programs and what is recomended? I'm not worried about price, so much as something that works well and has everything I'll need for long term breeding organization and record keeping. Also a question for anyone who has used the Bird Tracker program or who knows the more technical genetics names below, I am having trouble understanding some of the genetic descriptions used in the program versus what I've seen them named or descriped normally on the forums here. Can someone help decipher these for me? Blues and yellowfaces? Parblue 2 (b*gf) Parblue 1 (b*y2) Creamface [this showed as the result of b*m1 + b*m2] Blue Mutant 1 (b*m1) Blue Mutant 2 (b*m2) Autosomal Recessive: Brownwing Australian (br) Melanistic Blackface (m) Faded (fd) [there is also a dilute (dil) so I assume this is something else?] Dun Fallow English (f) Bronze Fallow German (fb) Dominant: Dark Wing Modifier (DW) Pied Australian (PA) Pied Dutch (PD) Whats the difference in these greys? Recessive Grey (rg) Grey (G)

Was taking pictures a couple days ago and some of them kept trying to pose for the camera, so thought I'd share:

Here is my new (first) breeding show pair... I should be starting breeding within the month... What type of colors can I expect? This will be their first time breeding, they are both a year old. Duke - violet sky cock (The cock was out of a Visual Violet and a Cobalt pair) Duchess - grey green spangle hen (The hen’s mother was a Grey Spangle, and the father was a Grey Green Spangle) Duke (in the middle): Duchess:

Both my budgies and my teil do this. For the budgies I belive it's just to exercise the wings or out of excitement. My teil does it whenever he's on top of his play gym as if saying "mine all mine". hehe

I found that post and left just as confused (Laughing out loud)... I understand most varieties just fine but this difference eludes me still. The only thing I can see is the darkness of the markings is the difference? The grey tail feathers vs a very light almost white tail feather?

Thanks Feathers for the input on Yuki.. I trust you all with your greywing call.. but if it had not been for that I would have called it wrong. But in the pictures you posted I can see the difference in the darkness of the grey feathers now better. But it's such a fine line of a difference I can see why it's so hard to tell!

that is too funny! I'm dying laughing at the cheeky little cereal thief.

Feathers, see my other thread about Yuki specifically: (although the picture link above is the more natural light coloring of him) http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=16975 However I'm really just curious how to tell them apart in general, because they look the same to my untrained eye. I was hoping there might be some thing specific to look for to tell the difference when the 50% vs 80% is questionable.

too funny! and so adorable. I like the cereal picture the best!

When visually looking at a budgie, I cannot tell the dilute (up to 80% suffusion) from a greywing (up to 50% suffustion). How do you tell them apart? I've found/heard conflicting information and from browsing the threads, looks like maybe I'm not the only one confused on how to tell them apart. From this forums sticky post: Greywings Greywings appear in all the normal colours, Green, Blue, Grey Green and Grey. They have a suffused body colouring and the wing markings are a pastel shade of grey on either a yellow or white background, depending whether they are yellow or white. The Rare Variety and Colour Budgerigar Society Dilutes Yellows are the Green version, Whites are the Blues. You can get Grey Yellows and Grey Whites. They should not be mixed up with Lutinos and Albinos who have red-eyes with a white iris. Yellows and Whites have black eyes with the white iris, the body colour of the Yellows range from a washed-out yellow to an apple green, the Whites range from a lightly-suffused blue to a darker blue, the wings are lightly-suffused. And from: http://www.budgieplace.com/colorsguide.html#dilution "There are four types of dilution: greywing, full-body-color greywing, clearwing, and dilute. Greywing budgies have grey markings on head and wings instead of black, and the body feather color is about 50% diluted (washed out). Full-body-color greywing budgies have the same grey markings of the greywing but the body color is brightened (not lightened or diluted). Clearwing budgies have very light or no markings on head and wings and the body color is brightened (not lightened or diluted). Dilute budgies are washed out all over. The head and wing markings are very light, and the body color is about 80% diluted (washed out)." from the same site shows these two examples (but they look the same to me): Greywing: Dilute: And here is my greywing (I've been told): http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra...es/000_2074.jpg

"Magpies are omnivorous, eating various items located at or near ground level including invertebrates such as earthworms, millipedes, snails, spiders and scorpions as well as a wide variety of insects - cockroaches, ants, beetles, moths and caterpillars and other larvae. Skinks, frogs, mice and other small animals as well as grain, tubers, figs and walnuts have also been recorded. The Australian Magpie is predominantly a ground feeder, pacing open areas methodically searching for insects and their larvae. One study showed birds were able to find scarab beetle larvae by sound or vibration. Birds will also take handouts from humans and will often venture into open houses to look for food. They also eat small animals like lizards and worms. They may also eat their own digestive products." "The Black-billed Magpie is a. notorious predator of songbirds’ nests." "Placing the budgie cage in front of a window or even outside can help to prevent any cage boredom with a more established pet. It is however important to remember that the sight of any natural predator such as magpies, raptors and cats." From a quick internet search.. looks like they are a natural predator.

is it just me or does Blinkie remind you of an angel picture?

Thanks for the pictures, looks like it was a fun show!

See if I have this right.... sf Dom Pied x sf Dom Pied = Offspring Phenotype Results: 25% Double-Factor Dominant Pied 50% Dominant Pied 25% Normal Offspring Genotype Results: 25% Homozygous dominant (TT) 50% Heterozygous (Tt) 25% Homozygous recessive (tt) ----- For the grey factor: Normal x sf Grey = Offspring Phenotype Results: 50% Grey Factor 50% Normal Offspring Genotype Results: 50% Heterozygous (Gg) 50% Homozygous recessive (gg) ----- The mom looks like a skyblue YF2? (sorry still learning) I'm not sure how the YF genetics work ----- did I get those right? Not sure on the bub specifically though... still trying to learn about how to tell colors in babies. What does the yellow pin feathers mean in a bub? And how can you tell they are pied already?

his tail is a very very light grey.. and I'm not sure on the flights as they were clipped before I got him. But I think you guys are spot on.. thanks all! When I first got him I'd thought dilute but I wasn't sure if he'd be considered 50% or 80% coloring. So I think you all confirmed that he is infact a greywing at 50%. Thanks all!

http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra...s3/000_2157.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra...s3/000_2212.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra...s3/000_2213.jpg http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x271/ra.../000_2194-1.jpg What mutation(s) is he? I have an idea but I've heard spangle, dilute or greywing.. So I wasn't sure, and wanted someone to look for me. Pics were all taken in natural lighting (no flash) and he's definatly lighter shade than my other sky blue budgies.

my hen Tori tears apart everything before anyone else gets the opportunity to play at my local breeder's store, she sells a type of food dish that fits some cages and none of my birds have been able to move them out thank goodness.

My budgies all take naps throughout the day.. they have high times of play/activity and then they get tired and nap and get up to play again

I love your violet!!!

absolutely stunning birds

Kaz, can you post pics of your winners?