*libby*

As odd as it sounds and as young as I am i've been engaged since Sept "06"... The wedding started it's planning last october/november for this December but since losing my grampy in Nov all plans came to a halt So we'll be planning it for the summer after now probably Seems like we're not the only ones who have had plans delayed

Blues mother is a cinnamon opaline who is split to blue His father is a Yf something... you'll need pictures of the back of his wings if they're possible to get? Blue is split to cinnamon also by the way

Yeah, that half makes sense... I just write them down on a piece of paper, if it doesn't hatch then it doesn't phase me which egg was actually due

You need to put her with a cock split to opaline or an opaline cock... If she already has spangle 50% will be spangles... if you put her to a spangle cock split opaline you'll get DF spangles aswell as opaline spangle and normal spangles, which are all possible... do you have any cocks who're spangles that mothers are opalines??? as those cocks are Definatly split opaline? Opaline spangle hen x spangle cock/opaline = Df spangles masking opaline Df spangles not masking opaline opaline spangles opalines normals spangles And of course the appropriate splits Opaline spangle hen x opaline cock = all opalines - 50% spangle opaline 50% normal opalines Opaline spangle hen x normal/opaline cock = opalines opaline spangles normals spangles And the appropriate splits again

I have only marked eggs when being fosters so I know who's is who's

Congratulations

Don't say that Liv we've just started a new plan to minimise food costs LOL Now alot of their diet consists of mums stolen veggies (then seed) hahaha Doing well so far

I've also read the newer copy. I thought so too Derek... I've noticed his rump since day one (easier to see with the naked eye) but never thought anything of it until I saw this book... I presumed it was some kind of suffision...

Eggs do have tiny miniscule pores, using a form of non-toxic marker will be fine Pencils you're probably going to puncture it... find a non toxic texta

http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff16/1libby/brown1.jpg - my boys wings http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff16/1libby/brown2.jpg - far away rump http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff16/1libby/brown3.jpg - close rump (and before asked, no he's definatly not a lacewing and is definatly an albino) http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff16/1libby/b1-1.jpg - front on

This is the two pages of the book where the mutation is mentioned... you can't see the birds rump very well, but I am uploading photo's of my boys rump and wings currently also... The book is called Buderigars: all you need to know By Michael S Christian, fisrt published 1983 the birds were apparently bred in 1979 though by the west coast budgie club. http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff16/1libby/lime1.jpg http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/ff16/1libby/lime2.jpg (pictures are too big so need to be links)

Copying the book now they're rather odd looking strangly enough...

Now I have a book that speaks of, and shows pictures of a Lime budgerigar (a special mutation) Has anyone ever heard of or seen any of these??? They talk about a bird in there who was split ino, he produced some ino offsprings who had a brown suffision on their rump... In the book they show pictures of this bird and the mutation... ( I can scan these and upload them for you all to see) I have an ino cock who has brown suffision on his rump and since this is a book done by Western Australians was wondering if this bird could be in the same genetic line...

Definatly is a catch 22... Which is why it's a shame we can't ask them their personal opinion on the subject If they could only tell us what they wanted done for them... Euthanasia is illegal in humans is it not? Unless on life support or something? Otherwise it's considered homocide/suicide accomplace? I'm sorry to hear about your wife Daz I can't ever imagine being in that predicament... you must both be very strong people.

You'll make a good vet Chrysocome. When my rabbit had her face abcess for her second surgery we chose a different surgery, they gave us the option of surgery or euthanasia... we said we'd think about it and brought her home. 10 minutes after arriving home we rang them and said we'd decided on the surgery. They flat tack refused because they "didn't want to do it"... and it was too hard... I was mortified and very P*ssed off! It's nice to hear we'll have a vet who takes the owners choices into consideration

and you've checked for fertility yeah?

I'm not necessarily against it, i'm just anti it... for me and me only, I'm quite happily content if someone else chooses to put their pet down and won't judge them for it

Two spangles and a normal i'd say as opalines should have clear white down

okay... Now before anyone answers, I'd like to make this clear that this topic is not being created to create havoc amongst members or to start debates. I simply would like to know what your stance on the subject is, and why... If the topic starts up too many issues I will remove it. Please try to give only your opinion and why and not comment on other peoples. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I'd like to hear them There is NO right or wrong answer to this. okay, well firstly my stance on the subject is Anti-euthanasia.... No matter the cost I will try to save the life of any animal I can without resorting to euthanasia... If no treatment is helping or can help or nothing can be done then I will try to let them live out their lives as healthy and long as I possibly can. Why?? Well my honest why Is because since when I was 13 and had to have my dog put down I realised i could never opt to make that choice. My dobermann x rottweiler developed bloat, when he was 11 yrs old. The vet told us surgery was an option, but he only had a 5 % chance of survival. As a decision my Dad chose to put him down... i stayed for the sedative before the "official" needle but couldn't stay any longer. As i left the room he tried to get up and come with me... seeing the look in his eyes has since put me off any euthanasia. I've spent $1000 on a $15 rabbit because it had a face abcess (1 yr old) - a day before it's third surgery it passed away... although in that time I know she was VERY happy... Before she got sick she was a total COW. She used to grunt and bite and attack us... When she got sick she had to be hand fed, she soon became our very close friend, jumping up on the couch to be with us and eating only baby food from a syringe which she would tug on our clothes when hungry, and follow us around the back yard. The last animal who set my decision in stone for my anti-euthanasia stance was a little baby budgie who was about 2-3 weeks old. This little bird suffered a crushed skull When it happened I thought for sure he was a goner... his body and legs spasmed stiff and he had no awareness what so ever of the outside world. He had blood coming out of his cere, ear and beak with a bulging eye from one side of his head... and lets not forget his skull was crushed into the shape of a triangle. When the accident happened I was utterly shocked to see he was still breathing... just lying limp in our hands with blood coming out of everywhere. We rang an avian vet right away and said what had happened and he said to wait it out as he'd probably pass away soon. 5 hours went by and the little bird was still alive... We rang the vet back and he was just as shocked... It was then we realised his food in his crop had gone down and if he didn't get any soon he'd die of starvation... We fed him, he took it all! Even did the head gobbling thing that made him bleed more unfortunatly, but he did well... Over the weekend we kept up his feeding and he lived in the incubator. By monday his legs had un-spasmed, his bleeding had stopped and he started to hold his head up. We rang the vet back again and he was even more suprised, said what we were doing was totally not in the rule book as he should be dead. For the next few weeks we kept feeding him and he slowly improved, his eye de-swelled, he sat upright and everything seemed "almost" normal aside his head shape and the fact he had bad balance and couldn't stand... about 2 - 2 1/2 weeks after the accident the little guy stood up Unfortunatly after his life had got back on track he got a crop infection and passed away :@ If i'd had known how to crop flush back then i could've saved him... We live and learn i suppose... But either way those three things are what have lead to my anti-euthanasia stance and why i personally can't make the decision to end an animals life. (I have a video of the budgies first stand after the accident on my phone, I'll try to upload it sometime for you all)

Haha LOVE IT!!!!

Funny you bring that up DrNat I checked a nest today and found both cock and hen lying down in there... I proceeded to get them out the box and discovered why they were like this... The cock was on 4 eggs and the hen on two hahaha I had a good laugh. i thought it was really cute KAZ it's that cinnamon wing violet cock I bought of you hehe

Derek, you big kid Do you still have G I Joes figures ?? or is it all batman and robin now hehe

I'm much the same DrNat. I try to let pairs pick one another out in the aviary, although for my "showier birds" who have a shorter breeding life and I want to make good use of their genes I'll select for them e.g. fallows and such. luckily enough for me so far they've all liked their partners

One opaline pied and two normal pieds, they're gorgeous Should be proud of that lot!!! I love pieds

Well when that marriage happens Trace, you're posting me over the offspring haha we'll make a deal, I'll trade you one crest, one violet and a fallow for your lacewing babies hehe