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The looks great Dave, you won't know yourself with all that space . Can't wait for mine to arrive but we haven't even done the cementing yet

Thanks GB, I have to say it is about time Going on my results I think maybe I will not start breeding until this time next year but then I would only get one round before it gets to hot but then breeding earlier has bee a waist of my time and most of the birds. So I have some thinking to do

Normals are very important in a breed programe and yes cinnamon and opaline can take over as can spangles. But saying that cinnamon and opaline are very important to a breed programe. Opaline improves spots and size and cinnamon improves feather (I think) someone can fix me on this as my brain is a bit dead at the moment. I would think to improve any variety you would put your best normal to an a lesser variety . So squeak you will have to work on breeding some good normals and look at for some from members. Good luck

That's great Kaz.

The only problem with breeding with recessives ( I am not sure if they are autosomal recessive) you really need to keep them seperate from your other birds. Meaning a new line. Well my opinion any way. Like this year I am now having ago at clearbodies and all these clearbodies and splits I keep I need to keep only for my clearbodies. So a new line. i was going to have a go at lacewings but I decided to concentrate on my normals and spangles. So I sold my lacewing . As a beginner and just going up to intermediate I need to learn to walk before I run. When I first started with my birds I had normals, inos, danish pieds, dom pieds, spangles and what ever I could get my hands on that I thought was pretty. But I soon learnt and plus advice from more experienced breeders, was to start with normals and learn from them and as you progress then get into the lesser varieties because the experience breeders told me the the lesser varieties are much harder to breed. I believe from listening to them and focusing on the normals and spangles of course I have done very well at the shows. I have the base of a good stud now. But with plenty of room for improvement. Even now having a go with clearbodies and inos I have still being advised to stick with my normals and spangles for a couple more years. But saying all this which I am not even sure why I wrote it but I did good luck with your fallow breeding. :fear

Is it all done Dave, Up and ready to go? Did your shed come in a package, where you have to put it all together yourself? I ordered mine Friday, it will take a fortnight for it to arrive, I am getting a Steel Chief shed from Bendigo Victoria. It comes with the sides already done, so there are 4 sides and 2 roof pieces I think, door already assembled. So I am hoping it will be easy to put up, a few screws each corner and the roof. Look forward to seeing photos of yours. :fear

I don't know because I have never had one that lived long enough to find out.

Do you plan on control breeding this lot Squeak because they sound good , like to see the outcome Good luck when you put them down.

I don't know if I have any clearbody babies yet, the cock is a green series clearbody and the hen dk green so all hens will be clearbody and cocks will be split for clearbody, I think

Thats a little double duch Splat,What is it a 3 some B) Macka I mean, I put the cock with a different hen and she has 5 fertile eggs and the left her on her own and took the cock out and put him back with mother of these babies and now she has 5 fertile eggs too. I lost 3 of the 1st hens eggs as I transfered them and when they hatched I had yellow belly and lost them. Does any of this makes sence This cock I won the violet shield with as young bird 2009. He is filling all the eggs this year and it seems all chicks are good. Update on some babieswhite Df spangle from my yellow Df spangle cock and cobalt sp hen, they only had 2 chicks. 2 white Df sp cocks, the one with the most suffusion is the best Here is a couple of photos of the chicks out of the violet nest, they are coming along nicely

I think you better read what is written a bit more carefully. I never said the birds were related. I was trying to say that it is the relatedness (inbreeding) that generally gives rise to more individuals being present within the show system where as in colony systems there is not same level of inbreeding and therefore the incidence of one occuring is rarer. Birds can be completely unrelated and still produce a mop. I know , but I was just saying they were related. alls good okay OoPs unrelated. Well I know these will not be going back together.

2 babies in the clearbody nest now

thats very cool i have a nest 6 eggs all hatched last one squashed before i could get to it though but rest doing good 4 with mum one fostered to chicks of same size From the cobalt cin op spangle, is so that's great GB

I think you better read what is written a bit more carefully. I never said the birds were related. I was trying to say that it is the relatedness (inbreeding) that generally gives rise to more individuals being present within the show system where as in colony systems there is not same level of inbreeding and therefore the incidence of one occuring is rarer. Birds can be completely unrelated and still produce a mop. I know , but I was just saying they were related. alls good

Ist round 3 chicks no mop, second round 3 chicks 1 mop. That really nice violet cinn opaline hen is from the 1st and there were 2 violet hens, all nice birds. This time I got a cobalt opaline hen, cobalt cock, and this fellow cobalt cock, well actually I think sky violet. The hen doesn't raise her young because she plucks the **** out of them. So I have her down again with my white DF sp but all clear eggs.

GB.. 5 babies out of 8 , remember the 1st 2 died, I left to hatch I love nest like this with teh majority of eggs fertile and then they all hatch SO COOL,

O know that Kaz But RIP said something to do with them being related Mops appear in show stock and pet stock alike. It is more prevalent in show stock due to inbreeding and regular supervision. In colony bred pet stock the inbreeding occurs but not in the same as as show stock and when a mop appears it is usually not detected unless the owner checks the boxes regularly, when the young fledge they either learn quickly to fend for themselves or die. It is not uncommon for bodies to be hidden in the aviary litter and go undetected. I am sure it is coming from the hen because the cock I know his background and have never got a mop from either of his parents and most my stock are from his parents. the hen is an outcross and I don't know much about her other than she is well bred. I don't really care as Dean says one mop to a large number of goods birds. Can't have it all

Thanks Kaz, some men

Well i tried your way today Kaz, put a hen down that was waisting away, it actually was very easy BUT i felt very sick in the stomcahe latter , Had to go make a cuppa tea and sit down and get my head together, It was the first time I have ever killed anything. Besides spiders. But it seem peaceful but Greg reckons that it was a cruled way to do it (by suffercation) he said how would you like to be suffercated) he made me feel ****. But the hen in question has been crook for a while, I have tried everything on her to no avail. She was skin and bone like megabacteria but it didn't show up under the microscope. I was scared she would spread what she had to the other birds. She was one hen I really wanted to keep as she was full sister to my yellow DF spangle cock. But she has now gone to heaven. she was only an 08 hen. I have one young cock out of her from last year.

Sorry Kaz but the last part of your statement is one of those old wive's tales. Mops appear in show stock and pet stock alike. It is more prevalent in show stock due to inbreeding and regular supervision. In colony bred pet stock the inbreeding occurs but not in the same as as show stock and when a mop appears it is usually not detected unless the owner checks the boxes regularly, when the young fledge they either learn quickly to fend for themselves or die. It is not uncommon for bodies to be hidden in the aviary litter and go undetected. Interesting but the parents of this bird are not related. the hen has been brought in for an out cross.

well if all babies that have hatched now and more to come but the ones that are tiny now if the live I will have 47 babies to date fertility is improving

:hmm: I do wish I never called myself splat now I have to live with it now I guess. Hey Kaz should of called my sell rubber then it definently would of bounced