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I would like to see some pics of your birds the ones you mention above please

You have some nice birds Pie and your babies are looking really good, they should molt into something really great, the pied could blossom, I have a dark green cock about 5 months old but Greg told me to cull him 2 months ago and I said no but guess what he has molted into something quite special his bib has grown to be very deep etc my meaning is you would never think it was the same bird. PLUS some young are late bloomers especially the line I carry here some don't come into their own till sometimes 12-18months old.

You have a range of colours very pretty

I don't use them the same time either Daz only after the antibiotic treament, but I don't those to use antibiotics much either unless advised but the vet as most breeders from my club advise us not to dapple in it unless you know what you are treating. PROBAC A probiotic preparation made for use in birds. Through time, many birds have evolved to maintain a population of bacteria in their bowels. These bacteria help to protect the birds from disease and aid in the digestion and absorption of nutrients. Stress disrupts these normal bowel bacteria, in the process making the bird vulnerable to disease and compromising digestion. Obviously, the quicker the normal bowel bacteria can be re-established after stress, the better for the birds. Probiotic preparations contain these beneficial bacteria. And so, how do probiotics work? Essentially, they help protect the bowel from disease in three ways: firstly, by producing protective slime layers; secondly, by preferentially occupying receptor sites so that they are not available to disease-causing bacteria, and thirdly, by producing acids such as lactic acid, that keep the contents of the stomach and intestine weakly acidic. An acid environment favours the growth of the ‘good’ bacteria and inhibits the growth of the ‘bad’ or disease-causing bacteria. Probiotics also have an appetite-stimulating effect, producing digestive enzymes and B vitamins. Probiotics also stimulate general immunity. When can the aviculturist use probiotics to his advantage? After any stress. Stress predictably disrupts the population of bacteria found in the bowel with the beneficial bacteria being the first ones to be lost. Once these beneficial bacteria are removed, an opening is created for an overgrowth of disease-causing bacteria or yeasts. This can result in diarrhoea, decreased appetite and a vulnerability to disease. Probiotics restore the balance of beneficial to non-beneficial bacteria. They are best given as soon as possible after the stress or just before the time of the stress. By doing so, disease problems may be avoided. During breeding and moulting. Often, despite the best of care, breeding or moulting birds can become ‘run down’. Probiotic use is likely to protect the parents and, during breeding, the babies from disease. Following purchase and transport. Catching and confinement can be extremely stressful, particularly in naturally nervous species. Interrupted feeding and drinking patterns provide further physiological stress. Following antibiotic use. Many antibiotics not only target disease-causing bacteria but also kill the beneficial bacteria of the bowel. When antibiotic treatment ceases, the bowel can repopulate with bacteria from the birds’ immediate environment. Probiotics can help protect the birds from disease during this time. After fledging. Less disease can be expected after weaning if birds are probiotic-supplemented until they are feeding properly and have established themselves in the aviary. Probiotic use can never be harmful as we are simply flooding the bowel with beneficial bacteria that should always be there. Probiotic preparations are one of the newer health aids available to the aviculturist. Their use has many advantages and should be encouraged. Probac is a probiotic preparation made specifically for use in birds, containing avian-origin lactobacillus and streptococci in high numbers (180 million CFU/g).

Here's another link or 2 from the BCV http://www.bcv.asn.au/Breeding%20Card.htm http://www.bcv.asn.au/Nest%20Record.htm http://www.bcv.asn.au/eggchart.htm

That's right it's what's in their background but you can do good with visual looks too, They look alright from my computer, good luck

No I believe it's surpose to balance things out. there are articles out saying that are birds should get probotic more often

I use probac soluable I buy it from Hunters in Shepp they sell all sorts of stuff but my first tub I bought from my vet which cost me an extra $10. Probac Soluble $39.00 this is the price from hunters as they have a lot of pigeon products Use: Concentrated Multi Strain Avian Probiotic Dose: 1/2tsp/2 litres or 1/2tsp/1kg seed Quantity: 200ml It last a while the one from vetafarm is a lot smaller, I use this when the birds are under stress and after antibiotics

Yes have been told by a few people that I have the feather that everyone is after which is great, just have to work on the other things now :bluebudgie:

Wow! They all look excellent! Well done!

Unfortunately as a Taurean, mines not even close. In fact I think its almost the opposite of me. I SAID ITS THE OPPOSITE OKAY!! okay okay, perhaps its not that far off afterall Ha ha see I am the same as Hill and I will take a short cut anyday

Yes Jimmy their is quite a few around Aus that have partnerships but if you dissolve it becomes a problem

The one I showed had real heavy markings was classed as bad variety which was written on the box which is the same as a spangle with real light markings it is classed as bad variety.

I wouldn't worry to much mine do it in the breeding cages, for mine I think it might be bordom

Thanks Dav

That's what I thought Elly, I have a cousin who was called Charlie but her real name was Arlene but she was always called Charlie And he reminds of Charlie from Charlie in Willy Wonka and the cholate factory, it's the blond hair.

I think I might call him Charlie, and assume he is a he till I know he is a she, Anyway Charlie has settled in really good so far Thanks for all your kind welcomes to Charlie

From the birds you are buying MB No 1 is the full brother to the father of these babies and no 14 Yellow Double Factor hen is out of No 1. Does that make sense but if you par them right you will have my line going soon too MB

I am thinking of calling him Flick, poor thing but then I like cloud, sky and Pie gee it's hard and Liv I also like patch. going to let him settle in and see what I think in a couple of days. But keep the names coming I don't mind

Thanks Kaz will run it past Greg let you know soon :thankyou:

Thanks Kaz but he still has no name, I can't let becaome Jim

Spangle to spangle GB once you breed some :thankyou: Yes I will do you a pedigree.

The answer to good markings is spangle to spangle to get Double factors then put double factors to normals to get the good markings preferably a normal out of a spangle. It works as mine are improving on their markings this year by far.