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My wow cock is 04 ring and he is throughing all my best features size, width and depth of head and plenty of back scull, shoulders well developed with length of body, I will keep using him also.

No my finger as sore as today and what's worse the doctor which they call doctor death made an 3/4hour appointment for me today at 4pm. When I went yesterday he gave the jab in the arm, you know what I couldn't get over him because he calls mine Julie he says, so I smile and work his way, he takes me into is dungeon of death and sits me down and says with a big smile on his face " I have something for you" I say really smiling, what would that be thinking gee I am getting something good here, and to my horror he pulls out the tetanus needle, I was shocked because I hadn't even told him what I had done. Anyway he must be money hungry because he says I haven't time to take that bandage off to day so I will make you an 3/4 hour appointment tomorrow and I will numb your finger which means more needles. I can do what I like with it then :fear ugggh I thought. Plus more money :fear So last night Greg and I tried to get it off, soak my fingers in water for ages and got it all off except the bit that is stuck to the finger bit that is missing ouch, so I covered that bit of dressing in healing cream hopefully it will soften it and I will try again today. Because I don't want to go back to doctor death My arm hurt from the needle all night didn't get much sleep. God an I in the wars, I have a cold, 2 cut fingers and a sore arm and it was funny last night because I wanted a kiss to make me feel better and Greg says you have enough problems without me kissing you because you see he has a dreaded cold sore on his lip.

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Mine won't stop hurting :sad:

:sad: Well that's what I said to Greg last night after the incident Gee I said the first couple of slices were on thin but then I relised and changed it to thick, boy I wished that I hadn't of relised that and left it on thin because then it would only have sliced a thin piece instead of a thick piece You he just laughed at me. Well It could of been worse it could of being on julienne strips OUCH You know what gets me it says CAUTION; Sharp edges, keep out of reach of children, use safety holder recommended. Well it should read CAUTION: Sharp and deadly edges, keep out of reach of children, and when using the safety holder which is bit small make sure fingers do not hang over edges as if they do fingers may be sliced also along with your salad

I love Cavs :sad: Use to show them 20 years ago when I was still married We have a jack russel will take a picture of buffy later and post it

That's awful, lucky there wasn't too much damage done

That's all I am worried about is will it ever grow back and look normal

Well I got a jab in the arm and boy did it hurt and sting , brought tears to my eyes. He even put me on antibiotics because it is so open to infection. I hate antibiotics But over he said I will live :sad:

I use these all the time Kaz plus there is great amount of info on the BCV I love the 18 day egg chart it is invalueable

I think she is very nice , I wouldnt mind owning her, she might through you some real wow birds, Good luck :sad:

Greg reckons it wasn't big enough but does he know after all it was my body part and I thought it worth a a few stitches to have the end of my finger back, considering it is going to be so painful waiting for it to grow back which I don't think it would as there is a real big chunk missing, When you look at my finger instead of being round it is flat straight across, that's when I broke down and cried :sad:

UNDERSTANDING PROBIOTICS By Wanda Barras Caged and hand-fed birds can suffer from a myriad of disease problems, which are brought about by stress and other environmental factors. Birds can be plagued by chlamydial, fungal, viral and parasitic diseases. Nutritional deficiencies, a less than ideal environment, and other stressors can and will lower a birds defense system allowing infectious agents to take hold. The most important aspect of disease control is prevention. As we all know many diseases can be prevented by proper planning, quarantine, cleanliness, pest control and husbandry practices. Routine probiotic therapy can help in the prevention of disease in the aviary and nursery. Probiotics is defined as: Live microbial feed supplements, which beneficially affect the host animal by improving its intestinal microbial balance. Antibiotics and other related compounds are not included in this definition. In humans, lactobacilli are commonly used as probiotics, either as single species or in mixed culture with other bacteria. Other genera that have been used are bifidobacteria and streptococci. (j. Nutr. 1995;125:1401-12) As in all animals, there is a normal microfloral population that coexists with our birds. It is believed that almost any form of stress can change this balance of microflora and precipitate a disease situation. However in a healthy bird the normal flora has the ability to combat any possible imbalance or infection. The Merck Veterinary Manuel states that, "The GI Flora of healthy psittacines is predominantly gram-positive (streptococci) and Staphlococcus epidermidis with a variable number of Cacillus and Lactobacillus spp), but gram-negative bacteria predominate as pathogens." (Merck). Probiotic is a term used to denote this naturally occurring group of organisms that is the beneficial "friendly" flora. The two dominant strains of probiotic microflora are Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifidobacterium bifidum. These are the two most widely researched and documented. Bifidobacterium bifidum inhibits the growth of E. coli in the small intestine and Lactobacillus acidophilus is an significant probiotic that inhabits the GI tract of humans and animals, including birds. A Balance of Microflora Cultures of direct-fed microorganisms or probiotics are able to multiply in the intestinal tract to create a balance of microflora. Some lactobacillus species used in probiotic applications include L. acidophilus, L. casei, L. reuteri, L. rhamnosus and Bifidobacterium bifidum. These and other organisms form a symbiotic or mutual relationship with their host. Each species has developed a resistance to the disease-causing potential of such organisms and in fact have formed mutual beneficial relationships with these organisms (Doane). In the gut of a healthy bird, the beneficial bacterial population---gut flora---thrives in great numbers. The established flora prevents other, sometimes dangerous, organisms from invading and flourishing within the digestive system (Vriends). That is, these beneficial microorganisms fill all the available ecological niches in the body. This prevents harmful bacteria,such as E. coli from gaining a foothold and flourishing. The familiar L. acidophilus produces lactic acid, reduces gut pH and acts as a colonizer (Schoen). Thus, establishing healthy gut flora and preventing disease. The normal avian microflora/gram positive bacteria found in the avian gut are: Corynebacterium, enterococus, Bacillus, Streptococcus, Staphylococcus, Micrococcus and or course Lactobacillus. Lactobacillus acidophilus, the best known of a type of acidophilus bacteria (bacteria attracted to acid), is a genus of bacteria belonging to the family Lactobacillaceae. It has been suggested that L. acidophilus is a beneficial or so-called "friendly" bacterium, which provides an important function in the body of animals and birds. Lactobacillus organisms are gram-positive, nonmotile, rod shaped organisms that do not produce spores, are acid resistant and thrive in acidic conditions (pH 4-5; neutral pH is 7.0; blood is at a pH of 7.2). Beneficial Bacteria This "beneficial bacteria" create an acidic environment that inhibits the intestinal growth of pathogenic bacteria, yeast, and fungi. "Test tube studies have shown that L. acidophilus can and will inhibit the growth [that is discourage the growth, not treat] of candida albicans. It has also been suggested, based on test tube studies, that L. acidophilus may have potential antibiotic effects of its own" (Scott-Hartland). Probiotics do produce a natural antibiotic-like substance called bactericine, which helps to eliminate unwanted coliforms. Thus, a bird’s normal bacterial flora develops an effective defense mechanism against infection and illness. The end result is a healthy, viable intestinal lining that can maintain optimal nutrient absorption capabilities and ultimately fight disease. However, if the bacterial balance is destroyed or if natural flora has not been established dangerous disease causing organisms will thrive, eventually requiring medical intervention. Microbials and Stress It is during times of illness, antibiotic therapy, injury and excessive stress that the normal microflora, pH and digestive process can be effected. Examples of stress that can alter a birds normal microflora populations in the gut are: feed or formula changes, poor nutrition, hatching, weaning, inadequate or close housing, shipping, excessive temperatures, exposure to pathogenic microorganisms or viruses, weakened immune system, and over exertion. Stress can lead to a decrease in food intake, and without adequate energy sources, beneficial microflora populations’ decline. Subsequently, the pH of the GI tract rises and pathogenic bacterial populations increase. Direct-fed microbials can reestablish the natural gut flora that in turn lower the intestinal pH, making the GI environment less favorable for disease causing organisms. Probiotic therapy will introduce "good" bacteria into the gut, encourage colonization and a healthy growth of microflora. The probiotics will prevent undesirable organisms (pathogens) from gaining a foothold and colonizing in the intestine ultimately causing illness. During Antibiotic Therapy Alteration of gut flora or "gut sterilization" is a frequent side effect of antibiotic therapy. Never should hand-feeding babies or adults for that matter be put on antibiotic or anti-fungal therapy as a prophylactic. Indiscriminate or prolonged use of antibiotics can destroy normal body flora, and depress the immune system and create resistant pathogens. It is at these times that direct-fed, species-specific microbials, also referred to as probiotics or lactobacillus, can prove beneficial. Probiotics can safely be used as a prophylactic and as supportive therapy when administering antibiotics. These new species-specific probiotics can supply nutrients to the host, aid in digestion and produce better food conversion. They will help keep disease causing microorganisms in check by producing antibacterial agents and enzymes that act on and kill many pathogenic bacteria and viruses. Probiotics help neutralize toxins produced by pathogenic bacteria and produce a wide range of B-vitamins and beneficial enzymes (Schoen). Hand-fed Chicks Psittacine chicks usually hatch with no bacteria present. These chicks are for all practical purposes sterile. From hatch on, chicks are continually absorbing organisms from their surroundings---beneficial as well as harmful pathogens. If gram negative bacteria are allowed to flourish without benefit of healthy digestive flora, problems will occur. Parent raised chicks naturally ingest normal gut flora from their parents and from the environment. Hand-fed chicks on the other hand, particularly those fed from day one and raised in an artificial sometimes sterile environment, often lack the natural gut flora found in parent raised chicks. Most name brand commercial hand-feeding formulas do contain some form of lactobacillus. Unfortunately, these living organisms are often killed during formula preparation due to high temperatures or storage conditions and are ineffective in establishing healthy gut flora in neonates. Hand-fed chicks are ideal candidates for direct-fed microbials and will benefit from species-specific probiotic therapy. Avian Strain Suggested Not all probiotics are created equal. Bacterial preparations, direct-fed microbials, also referred to as probiotics or lactobacillus are widely available commercially. It is important to recognize and choose the right product. Some probiotics are not effective on birds. Many bacterial preparations are harvested from the gut flora of mammals such as swine or cattle and show little benefit when used on parrots. These microbial products may have the same name as those that are found in birds but---can prove ineffective if non species-specific. "Just because the label states lactobacillus… does not mean that the product was derived from birds." (Jordan). Because available products are not always species specific, derived totally from the intestinal flora of psittacines, or viable, they will not have the ability to multiply, adhere to the intestinal tract and establish healthy gut flora. Susan Club, a noted aviculturist and veterinarian, states, " Many natural products, such as some brands of yogurt, do not contain viable Lactobacillus cultures. Some researchers feel that species-specific lactobacilli may be required for gut colonization."(Harrison). For example: Yogurt a widely available form of lactobacillus is widely used as a probiotic in hand-feeding programs. But, yogurt, which is made from milk, is species specific for mammals----not birds! The lactobacillus in yogurt (which is probably harvested from the stomach of a cow and is species specific to mammals) will not thrive and multiply in the avian gut. In order to establish a colony of healthy flora in the gut, a viable avian specific probiotic should be utilized when hand-feeding. Fortunately beneficial bacterial preparations, that is species-specific probiotics, have become more widely available to the growing avicultural community. These commercially available, direct-fed microbials are found to be extremely beneficial in helping to maintain and restore health in our hand-fed babies, breeders and pet birds. Probiotics such as Pet-Ag’s Bird Bene-Bac gel offer natural and effective therapy not only for diseases relating to the digestive system and crop dysfunction, but also offers an opportunity to establish a stable, healthy gut environment that will aid in disease prevention. Only by establishing a strong "disease prevention program", which includes probiotic therapy and good husbandry and management practices, can we hope to raise birds free of or resistant to disease.

It's the whole top of my ring finger, I tried to save it and put it in ice for them to sew back on but Greg laughed at me and said they wouldn't do it but quess what that bit that came off went white straight away like died instantly without my blood. I couldn't decide whether it was a chunk of onion or my chunk of finger :bliss: :thumbs_down: starting to feel sick talking about it YUK

Been watching her closely but know improvement yet, which I knew what happened so I can make sure it doesn't happen again. This hen came 7th in the Double Factor class at the uncapped shield in Melbourne in September she would of got higher but she wouldn't perch they wrote on her cage bad shower, she was very naughty.

Me too Liv but I don't want the pain :thumbs_down:

Sad news this lovely Double factor Spangle hen is injured, she can't stand on one of her feet, somehow she has hurt her foot. I caught her to have a look and her foot is a bit red but I can't see what she has done to ity. So worried I was preparing for the show because she a chip of block looking like her dad. BUT if her foot doesn't get better I won't be able to show her because she can't perch with that foot.

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This is my ugly little affending slicer, cheap and nasty, aint that write, they say you get what you pay for and boy did I :thumbs_down: Elly I can see the funny side today but last night I sooked all night believe me. :bliss: My doctor must be blood firsty, he gave me one about 10yrs ago for cutting my finger when slicing the sunday roast again my fault, have a habit of slicing tpwards me, I know naughty but it's a bad habit to break It's my middle finger that's cut a bit but it's my ring finger that has lost the top. So I still have my pointer to type,

It happened last night at dinner and needle soon, I real sook when it's time for the needle because I hate needles and Tetanus needles really hurt :bliss: Ioday my fingers are really sore :thumbs_down: See if I can get a picture soon

That sounds good MB as I told Greg last night when I was sooking over it that I am to scared to use it again. But it was fun until my fingers became dinner too :thumbs_down: The only thing that is annoying now besides the pain is I only get 1 day a week work and i do house cleaning at a resort in Numurkah and I have only being there for 4 weeks and I won't be able to do it tomorrow and it is a really hard shop. Mostly using my right hand and heaps of chemicals. So I will miss out on a days pay. I am having enough trouble today trying to type and house clean here can't even make the bed it hurts too much and tomorrow I have to make at least 2 queen size beds and 4 single beds plus everything else. Stupid slicer.

That will be great, can't wait

This one has a holder but I think it is too flat, it should be higher so your fingers don't hang down :thumbs_down: . This holder is round and not very high and the spikes aren't very long so it jumps off what you are cutting, (think I am trying to convince myself it wasn't my fault) What does your old one look like MB

I am very sorry for myself today. It all started yesterday when I went shopping, I saw those mandolin slicers you know the ones that can slice the top of your fingers off. Well I bought one, so excited with my new purchase came home showed Greg and set out to cook dinner, well I thought to myself we will have a salad so I can use my new toy. MY new toy more like a slicer from *** :fear I only got to slice a few things and my fingers were hanging over a bit well that was too much because next thing I know the top of one finger is sitting in my salad, lucky it was my plate and not Greg's YUK , and I sliced the next finger also. OUCH I screamed out to Greg HELP I have chopped my fingers :fear OFF he came running in, well he was jumping up and down :bliss: trying to work out how to stop the bleeding and I was trying to be so brave but all that blood I almost fainted , but I felt like a dill buying this rotten thing :thumbs_down: and using it the very first time and slicing the tops of my fingers off. Anyway after several bandages and tape all is well going to the doctors later for a tetanus needle ouch. Have to say it really hurts too plus I am right handed and it's my right hand and I will miss out on a days pay tomorrow. Well I have learnt a good lesson.

I agree with Falki but I surpose it is freezing over there in Finland