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Yes I agree with you. Or at least a Green masking Yellow Face2. I guess Staceymay it sounds a lot more complicated than you probably thought? Welcome to the world of Budgie genetics...it's a mine field.

How dark is your Green? If it's a Dark Green & is split for Blue you could get one from that…but I'm not sure Violets & Mauves are still a bit of a mystery to me. But Lady is right you need two dark factors…it goes Sky…Cobalt…then Mauve. I think you can get Mauve from Cobalt to Cobalt & Cobalt to Dark Green/Blue.

That's a thought MB...it certainly a possability. I believe you Misslu...great minds think alike.

The one at the back looks like a Cobalt Normal & the front one a Sky Blue Normal. your Green Dad must be split for Blue.[carry the Blue gene] if we could see a picture of the parents we could maybe help some more. Also welcome to the forum hope you enjoy it.

Just saw those extra pictures you posted Throwback…don’t know how I missed them till now…you have some really nice birds good luck with your breeding. Most of the real good show looking birds I pick up [at pet shops etc] don’t seem to breed, I guess you got yours straight from the breeders, so good luck with the breeding. I’m like you give those Greys with fleck a go, should get some nice birds even with flecks & you should be able to get the odd clear as well. I agree with you, love that Cinnamon Grey Green hen hope she does well for you…Good luck hope to see the results soon. Some of the nicest birds I’ve seen on here will be using their pictures to give me ideas when selecting my breeders.

Sure looks nice anyway Libby, it’s always interesting to see new colours that you haven’t come across before…good luck with her.

Sorry I’m getting mixed up Fallows are not sex linked are they, that’s what I was thinking. Unless the hen could be split Fallow it can remain hidden for a long time, until it meets the gene from another bird. I still think if it was Ino all the pattern would be masked. See what others think.

Looks like it must be a YF Fallow, it will be a hen. Except that you say the father is split for Ino so there's the possibility of Ino & Recessive Pied does some strange things to feather also & maybe Spangle.

Looks pretty interesting to me Libby, better look after it well, it may be a mutation. Usually when you have an Ino of any colour it totally masks it's true colour. It could have Spangle influence. I have had Lutino's masking Spangle, but there was no sign of any pattern. What birds did it come out of? I just had a thought, maybe it’s a Fallow Spangle…does it have Fallow in it’s line. I've just been thinking of trying to breed some next year.

I like Opaline Texas Clearbodies [yellow] I'm partial to most Yellow Bodied birds with darker wing patterns, like TCB, Fallows, Darkwing Yellows, Cinnamon wing Yellows…I always like Opalines & Cinnamon wings [a Cinnamon Sky Blue I think is a real nice bird]. Also I think an Opaline Spangle is a nice bird. So many nice colours. A pair of my young TCB's 2007 rung...brother & sister, the cock is the more desired colouring. The cocks wing pattern...would be better I think if had more even black through the wing. The hens wing pattern, I thought she might have been a Cinnamon, but the breeder I bought her parents from said that's the correct colour of wing for TCB. A Green Fallow [Yellow] with the wing marking I like.

I pulled the division while I was feeding them again yesterday & straight away the hen came out of the nest & was desperate to mate. Which makes me not confident that her eggs will be fertile. But the cock seemed very scared of her, but after awhile he became more confident & started chatting to her & then when you would think he would mate, he attacked her & it was all off…Strange happenings.

Neat Elly is right don’t get your terminology mixed up, you may have read somewhere that someone said about sex linked being Dominant. But better to just keep the terminology clear. You have DOMIANTS…Green & Yellow Over…Blues & Whites. If a Green or Yellow is mated to a Blue or White & they are not split [carrying Blue] then all young will be either Green Or Yellow. SEX LINKED: Lutino, Albino [the INOS] Opaline…Cinnamon wing, Texas Clear body etc The Dominant factors still applies, if say a Lutino is pure non split for Blue & is mated with an Albino, you will still get the Dominant colour Yellow [Lutino] unless it is split for Blue then you will get some of each. With sex linked hens they can only be either sex linked or non sex-linked [can’t be split for a sex linked mutation] cocks can be either split [one factor of sex linked] doesn’t show the colour or two factors…shows the colour. RECESSIVE: Recessive Pied, Dilute, You need both birds to either show this character or be split, before you can produce any chicks with a Recessive mutation. Still the Dominant factor still applies…Green Dominants Blue. YELLOW FACE: Green Dominates YF…YF Dominates White Faced Blue. SO NO MATTER WHAT MUTATION IT IS… DOMINANT…SEX LINKED…RECESSIVE …YELLOW FACED…GREEN ALWAYS DOMINATES OVER BLUE. So MB seeing that YF is Dominant you need to buy in a bird that is YF or have a Green bird that is Dominating it, but this is difficult to know, so best to buy in a YF. Then if you want to breed a Creamino [Cream Ino… YF Blue Ino] as Elly has said you need at least one bird to carry the YF. Neat is right the best way to breed a Creamino is probably an Albion cock mated to a YF Blue hen, some of the hens they produce will have the chance of being YF Albinos [Creaminos]. I know you know most of this Neat, but just putting it out there for others to

Nice to see they arrived safely & are happy in their new situation…a big thankyou to Dave for his kindness in helping you out.

I cabinet breed… my Budgies are planned to be one big happy family, I breed my selected better type so called “Pet Budgies” with show types to blend them into I hope a happy healthy improved Budgie. Blending the good of both types.

A really nice line up of young ones Sueanne…look real well, congratulations good job.

Hi MB [these people with such long names]… Like Kaz has said your bird has what’s called flecking, some Opaline Budgies have even more than that & almost have as much barring as do Normals….. As you say I also quite like them, especially the ones with strong barring, but as said it’s a show fault…it seems to me to be more common in show type Budgies & seems to come strangely from the British show Budgie that was imported…the Australian or pet type seems to have less & also have a more completely clear V between the shoulders, which is desirable when showing.

Neat most birds will stress some when placed in a smaller cage, normally it will only be for a few days then they settle down. Also if birds are bred in cabinets they will settle down quickest when place in cabinets, whereas birds that were bred in the aviary situation may take longer. So the first breeding season may be the hardest, also maybe most of your birds are bred in the colony system, as many people that breed a few birds & probably don't look into it deeply breed colony & so many of the birds that you buy in pet shops, have probably been bred under the colony system. I think these birds tend to be a bit wilder than birds that are bred in cabinets, as most show people use cabinets & also probably select their birds for quietness, so these birds are quite by nature & settle easier in new situation. Breeding birds in an aviary situation has probably got some very disable conditions & I do breed a few pairs one pair in an aviary, but this is very expensive of equipment & most people don't have the resources to have an aviary for each pair that they breed. I tried using colony with three pairs & I put sister mated to brothers together, but even with this small number I eventually got fighting, so that's the problem. Just a comment on your sig…it suggests to me a lot of aggression tied up…do you have anyone in mind…I hope it's not me…LOL… Just as well your in the cabinet system & not the colony…

Dave Jimmy is saying that because he likes that bird & it isn't even a Lacewing…as he's a crazy Lacewing Junkie…loves them Lacewings…so your bird isn't even a Lacewing & he likes it…so pretty big compliment. Your birds are looking good even if they are moulting...I'm taking handfulls of feathers from the corners of my avairies too...feathers everywhere.

Yes mine was the same Karen, they had been together maybe two months, weren’t that friendly, but the attack started the day she laid her first egg. The week before that they had been getting on well together. She had been with two cocks previously & no aggression shown at all. He had been very attentive with his first mate & was a real good feeder until she turned on him. Lonebudgie: I have only trimmed one bird so far a TCB I bought for $50 he has so much feather in the vent area & I wanted to be sure to get one or two young from him, but he has been with two hens so far & not a sign of breeding, Sadly I think he’s passed it, he is only 4 but doesn’t look hopeful. I don’t intend to trim too many birds, only some special ones I buy to at least get some young to work with, but I don’t want to have birds that I regularly do this with, as I think it’s crazy…if it means I wont breed show winners so be it. I think this hen had been long enough separated from her previous partner for the bond to be broken. Sunnie: Yes that is one of the few advantages with colony breeding they choose their own mate & also have plenty of room to escape if the hen gets aggressive, but I think it’s pretty rare, previous to this I have had very little problems with hens. Yesterday when feeding my birds I place the cock back in the cabinet, the hen came straight out of the nest, dropped to the cabinet floor & arched in the mating position…she was keen, but I think he was too scared… he showed interest in her, but mounting didn’t occur while I was present, I left them together for short period, he was still okay on my return, he was so happy to be back home, so I made a division from an old refrigerator shelf & have divided the cabinet in two, he can feed her through the bars, she has laid her second egg & is sitting, whether they are going to be fertile or not remains to be seen.

I like Conan Revengypsy…looks like it will turn out something.

You asked early what chicks you would get, I’ll have a go 50% Spangle Normals… 50% Normals, in Grey & Blue series, maybe Sky Blue, Cobalt & even Mauve. Cocks will be split for Opaline. Will be good to see them after they fledge, should be nice birds.

I love them fluffy downy chicks.

I would suggest that if a hen lays one of two soft shelled eggs, it may be corrected by feeding, but if a hen on a good diet continues to lay them, it may be some kind of permanent condition & it would probably better to not breed from her. As others have suggested, to start mixing cocks with different hens is difficult & needs someone with lots of experience & you would have to have other feeder pairs available to take the chicks, so as other have suggested it's probably better to just be patient & breed one pair at a time. If a hen doesn’t start breeding of course you can replace that hen with a new one, most cocks will accept a new hen, but if you need to replace a hen that is more difficult as hens can be very protective of their cabinet & can attack a new cock. Better if possible to remove her to another cage & introduce the new cock there.

You picked up some nice birds there Sunnie, yes you don't need to worry about showing, you can get plenty of pleasure breeding your birds to improve their quality for yourself. Good luck with your breeding once you have everything set up.

Thanks guys.