Dingo

Name: Boidie Sex: Male Color: Blue Other Mutations: Opaline

Name: - Sex: Hen Type of YF: 2 Color: Blue Other Mutations: Pied, Spangle, Greywing(?)

so, what was the conclusion with my little hen? is she dom. pied or continental clear flight? is she dilute or am I going color blind?

I agree Dilute Spangle Opaline, if you go here and scroll down just a bit you will see birds with wings identicle to his http://www.geocities.com/budgie-place/p_colors.html#spangle

are you sure she's not dilute? her wing markings are pretty faint. I've got a bird everyone agreed is a grey greywing dilute yellowface type II, his wing markings are a little more strong than hers, his markings are a grey/green hers are grey and grey/green

would I be close saying she's a greywing dilute spangle(SF) yellowface type II? and does she look like a continental clearflight to anyone else?

I dont think she is opaline, the color bleeding through the wing markings is yellow it would be green or blue if she were opaline correct? I think she is a continental clearflight or dutch pied, because of the way her wings are marked and the lack of coloration on her tail, and the pied patch. any thoughts anyone?

First we have Boidie, dom. pied opaline cock, and Jane, normal blue hen, they are going through a pretty good molt. Then we have the little male. and last but certainly not least the new little hen. thats my budgie flock for now.

I managed to get some better pics, her cheek spots dont match eachother one is mostly white and the other is mostly blue, she isn't molting the lighting made he look a little rough though, what do you think?

there aren't any pied markings on her body, just the pied patch on the back of her head. she does have some blue in her cheek spots but they are mostly white, though I dont believe she is spangle. the pics dont do her justice, her body is green and blue, her tail is white and the bottom 1/3 of her wings are white, some of the markings on her back have a yellowy green running through them. sorry for the poor quality pics.

thanks nerwen, I cannot tell if the new hen is spangle her markings are too light, but she has the dom. pied patch on the back of her head.

I got a new hen today to be a buddy to my old hen(yes she's in quarentine right now) and I noticed her cheek spots are white, she's almost the same as my new male except she's not grey, my best guess at her would be a yellowface type II clearflight dom. pied grey wing dilute , my new male is grey greywing dilute opaline yellowface type II and his cheek spots are a light diluted violet, can someone explain to me what the cheek spot color variations mean? thanks

thats what I was thinking

it's a shame one of the potential fathers isn't opaline, then we'd know! I still like the one little feather on the back of the babies head.

belco yours looks like a type I YF to me; this is a grey YF type II, in person he is a little more grey and his face is a bit softer

actually here in the states there are plenty of pet quality english budgies, same exact size as the exhibition english just lacking in the large forehead and mask feathers, infact the man I got my pied cock from breeds both exhibition and pet quality engish as well as american budgies, there is a difference between all 3 of the types, or subtypes, listed in this post.

is there a reason the bird in the first picture has white cheek spots?

all will be blue unless the male is split for ino, then you will get some albino's as well.

rainbow that was just a quote I got off a site, it was only an example, also forgot to add one of those sites was AUS based.

actually all of the english pet quality budgies I have seen are different than american budgies in size, as I said in my first post they can be distinguished by exhibition english and pet quality english, the same is used with poultry, it's really quite simple. if there was no difference between english pet quality budgies and american budgies than why would you call them english to begin with?

Dino wouldn't work, my screen name is my dogs name, as for his mutations I think we came to the conclusion on the genetics forum that he's a grey yellowface type II opaline greywing dilute, we have 3 votes for Merlin, any other names?

everyone seems to get mad when that name is used but there are 3 types of budgies; aus. wild budgies, american budgies and english budgies, why is it that people only get mad at the name american budgie, I recall there being a post with the 3 different weights of the 3 different types, I agree they are all the same species (Melopsittacus undulatus) - but thats the species as a whole, is there any proof as to where "pet store" budgies originated from, or where in AUS they were developed? it's no different than dog breeds, they are all Canis familiaris but there are several hundred different types. "Some budgies have been bred down in size but with a greater number of color mixes. They are generally "aviary bred" in groups, and are referred to as American Budgies. Others have been selectively chosen and bred up, with a more pronounced forehead and larger overall size. These birds are referred to as English Budgies. Both American and English budgies are the same birds, but bred differently for different purposes." "Budgerigars are often, and mistakenly, referred to as parakeets. Originating in Australia, Budgies were imported to England where breeders took painstaking measures to develop color strains and bloodlines that were as pure as possible. As a result, English Budgies are often referred to as an Exhibition Budgie. What is commonly referred to as the American Budgie is considered in the trade to be more of a pet than a breeder exhibiting pure lines. They are the same species and both are a good deal larger than their native Australian counterparts." "There are English and American varieties of budgies in addition the to budgies from their native country, Australia. The English Budgie is larger than its Australian and American counterparts and is most commonly seen in shows. They are a lot less active than their American cousins. The American versions are those most commonly seen in pet stores in the United States and Canada" there were many more quotes from other sites but I think this post is long enough.

I'm pretty she it's male, but because I'm unsure it has gone nameless I was thinking about Merlin but if it turns out hen that wouldn't fit, I already have a hen cockatiel with a rather male name any other names are welcome as well.

I assume you mean breeding "american" type budgies( the kind you usually see in pet stores) to get english budgies? theres a pretty big difference between the types, in some cases it's just size, there are two types of english budgie, pet quality and exhibition quality, there is only one type of "american" budgie, you cannot breed a pair of "american" budgies to get english budgies unless you want to do it the way they were developed many years ago, but that would take several decades if not longer, you'd be better off trying to create a white face green budgie this site has pictures of "american type" and some pretty nice english budgies http://www.bellaonline.com/ArticlesP/art6625.asp

I thouth DF spangles had plum eyes? "Genetically double-factor spangles are all yellow or all white (depending on base color). You can tell a budgie is double-factor spangle because its irises lighten normally with age. Comparatively, lutinos/albinos have red eyes and dark-eyed clears have dark plum eyes throughout their lives."