Martine

You have to put in all the right data otherwise the whole thing goes bezerk! When you go to the original site you'll see that they have it for all kinds of parrots as well. I am very surprised this thing is new to you its been around for quite a while. http://www.gencalc.com/

Green babies split for blue.

Why all the pain? Why not just use the Genetic Calculator? :hap:

Meg, I'm really for sorry for you. Take your bird to the regular vet. He will probably give him a wide spectrum antibiotic and the budgie will probably make it. Like the others said, he can get advice from other vets. Don't wait. Here I am the mom and I always take the birds to the vet. I could not live with my children's sorrow if we lost another one. Good luck Martine.

They are not carried on the same chromosome. :rip:

Thanks Lovey, I have already seen it there. Very good site indeed, I go there all the time.

In the parrot family, big or small there are basically 2 types of pigment. Melanine subdivided into: eumelanin (black or dark brown) phaeomelanine (reddish brown not found in budgerigars) carotenoid or psittacin subdivided into: Yellow carotenoid or psittacin red carotenoid or psittacin (not found in budgies) Melanine in budgies gives black, grey dark or light brown. If the barb of the feathers contains a blue structure on a white base you see a blue budgie. When the structure is on a yellow base you see a green budgie. All the mutations we know are based on this. The red eyes on inos, no melanine.The cinnamon reduction of eumelanin. Albino: only white structure. Pieds of all sort displacement of above "products". I just don't think were close to an all blue budgie yet but it is probably not impossible. You see your blue parrot has no blue structure on top of his head, if he had, the the spot would be green as well in the original amazone. Don't think I am any smarter than you, just read those really great articles: http://www.birdhobbyist.com/parrotcolour/

I tried to feed my birds Tropican but thy would not eat it. It is suppose to be good, the aviairy vets I go to here in Montreal sell it. The only place the sells Harrisso in Quebec is in ST-Hubert. Are you in Montreal or in Quebec city? http://www.harrisonsbirdfoods.com/states/quebec.htm http://www.parrothouse.com/hagen/hagen.htm

Thank you Lovey, I only hope it's correct!!!

10-4 :angel1:

I read recently that cilantro (coriander) should not be given to budgies. I'm glad I only found out now because my birds ate it all summer and didn't feel any worse for it! The same can be said about parsley, just don't give them too much at once that's all. Mine just love basil and get sweet basil breath from it. What they like the most is the panicum I grow for them. Compared to that millet sprays are for the birds... The green seeds of the panic drives them crazy. The only problem I have with it is with thewild birds, I have to cover it with a net to keep them from eating it.

It's normal for the poop to change color if you're switching from seeds to pellets. The poop is greener and softer, it's to be expected. What kind of pellets are you giving them?. I give mine Zeigler and there are other makes that are good too. Roudybush, Zeigler and other brands that are available in Quebec, why make your life more complicated than it has to be? I give my birds pellets but I still give them about 25% of seeds. I don't think I could live on pellets alone if I was a budgie. Considering the cost of shipping, unless you are a breeder do you think it's really worth it?

The budgie's intestine is a pretty fragile thing. I would skip the pepper if I were you.

The birds you already have carry the mutations you can see. They also have some that are hidden to you because you have not bred any of them. Different mutations are carried on different genes. There are basically 3 kinds. Sex linked, recessive and dominant. To get Dominant, you will need at least one parent showing (visually showing the mutation) such is the case for the dominant or australian pied. Recessive mutations can be carried by either recessive or dominant mutations. For example, I had on recessive pied bird (danish pied) that was born from two recessive blue birds (light blue dad and cobalt mother). The blue birds were visually blue but (one of them at least) carried also the recessive austalian pied (blue/pied). Recessive mutations cannot carry dominant mutation because the dominant mutation dominates. Sex link mutations are carried on an another set of chromosomes and since, contrary to humans it is the female who carries the XY and the male the XX, so female birds of sex link mutation cannot be split for a sex link mutation because of the short Y. Correct me if I am wrong?

Unless they've moved it Javy Cologne is in Germany (Köln=Cologne). :bluebudgie:

No, it was not a show bird but she got it from someone who breeds to show. As far as I am concerned, esthetically speaking, I prefer birds that are close to the originals in shape and form. All those big foreheads and big cheeks don't appeal to me. Of course this is only a personal opinion. There is a proverb in french that says taste and colours should not be discussed. I tend to agree with that. To each is own.

Your birds are beautiful Javi and when you write you have no accent at all! :mellow:

What kind of mutation could an albino female carry besides recessive ones that are not carried on the XY chromosome? Can she carry dominant mutations without showing them? It seems that the more I try to understand the genetics of mutation the more confused I become, is it just me?

There was a picture of it in Budgerigar World, you should be able to find on their site but if I remember well the pictures on the german site above are of much better quality. The mutation is called anthracite (a very deep grey) and first appeared in Cologne in 1998. It is tought to be a recessive mutation . I was just telling the member from Spain that I cannot read german, nor speak it. Sorry for the use of a foreign language.

Well Nerwen, I belong to this french speaking forum and this girl from France showed us a picture of her opaline that had so many throat spots that her cheeks appeared almost black. She was very upset when I told her that it was not considered a desirable trait. Not that I think her bird was not nice looking but I was wondering if we should really insist on breeding bird that have "anomalies" pretty or not after all some people think feather duster are cute? My name is Martine not Marine no big deal

I read* that for similar reasons birds should not be fed strawberries or raspberries from the U.S. A treatment that is used to keep the fruits from wilting too quickly and pesticides (30 of them detected by the FDA) is harmful to birds and can in some cases cause death. When in doubt, it is best to stick to bio, this way our birds (and ourselves) will be much better off. *An article in the Avicultural Journal of September/october 2000 described the problems in detail. This link describes the situation well: http://www.landofvos.com/articles/kitchen3.html

Gracias, pero no puedo leer aléman! http://www.standardwellensittichzucht-lenk.de/

Thanks, but nobody really knows why they occur right?

Can anyone give me information on the cause of the exagerated numbers of spots found on opalines?

I am looking for a decent photograph of an anthracite. Can anyone refer me to a site where I could find one? Thanks, Martine.