Martine

Hi everyone, I haven't been here in ages, I need as many opinions as I can find This is what I got from the gentleman who had it in France in 2008 Father recessive pied X normal blue / ?? Père pie danois bleu X normale bleu / ?? As a flegling, the forehead only appeared really "flecky" (only english word he used) A la sortie du nid le front était seulement d'apparence très " flecky " His sister (cinnamon blue) as the same pattern in her markings, without color on the head. Sa soeur (bleu cinnamon) a le même dessin de panachure, sans coloration de la tête. has the eye of the danish pied Oeil de pie danoise The marking of the chest like the dutch pieds Panachure de poitrine comme les pies hollandaises. (blanc descendant sous les spots) No marking at the wings and on the tail (faulty?) Pas de panachures aux ailes et la queue (fautive ?)

Hello, can anyone direct me to articles about the Easly Clearbody. I manage several languages but german is not one of them! Is there anything here I did not see? Thank you, Martine.

How do you explain the total lack of markings then? Just a fluke?

The birds were a Valentine present, I think they're too young to have iris rings anyways. Personnally, I think it's a boy...

What do you make of Lovely (to the right on the first picture)? I'm not too good with mutations but he has no "stripes", therefore cannot be a recessive pied? http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i...=11613126" http://i28.servimg.com/u/f28/11/61/31/26/imgp8116.jpg http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=97&u=11613126

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Are you suggesting this? Because this is not what was said?

Here is what Spurgard had to say: ..I looked on the recessive pied side but nothing...Then I found a trail, german fallows have red eyes et rings but when they are split for recessive pied, the ring dissepears and the bird has red eyes without rings (like the english fallows) But your bird does not have red eyes and he is not fallow then I found the solution: The mating of english fallow X german fallow does not give fallows but "normals" split for english and german fallows and they have dark eyes! Voilà (I do not know how to translate voilà!) the mystery is soved! Since the mother is more likely to have been split for recessive pied, we do not have too many fallows here, though the breeder might have had them, could it be that a split for recessive pied give the same effect? See what Jerry had to say?

I'm sorry, I should have been more spécific. Pistache is 16 or 17 months old. The pedigree chart like I said is not his but his dad's. Nothing is known about the mom beside the fact that she is also à light green. The other administrator on my forum came up with a very similar theory as your's Kaz. I will translate it and put it up as well as a new picture of Pistache. Here is what Spurgard had to say: ..I looked on the recessive pied side but nothing...Then I found a trail, german fallows have red eyes et rings but when they are split for recessive pied, the ring dissepears and the bird has red eyes without rings (like the english fallows) But your bird does not have red eyes and he is not fallow then I found the solution: The mating of english fallow X german fallow does not give fallows but "normals" split for english and german fallows and they have dark eyes! Voilà (I do not know how to translate voilà!) the mystery is soved! Since the mother is more likely to have been split for recessive pied, we do not have too many fallows here, though the breeder might have have them, could it be that the fact that the mom may have been split for recessive pied give the same effect?

I have a normal light green budgies with dark eye, no eye rings. Does this mean he is split for recessive pied. Here is the pedigree of his dad, his mom is a normal light green but her origins are unknown. He was small then, but now he's grown up and still has dark eyes.

We'll keep you up to date.

I'm sorry Elly, it's just that I was not familiar with the new way the replies show up at the bottom and I did not see them at first.

No ideas?

I wonder if you could help us out? A member on our forum had this little bit of mystery to unravel. We nedds all the help we can get. Our forum is in french so I translated for you guys. Starsky says: The parents: The male is an opaline grey, the female is albino. The babies : The grey is expectable, the albinos as well, I knew the dad was split for it. Cinnamon opaline I did not know he was a carrier. But??? The belly and the chest should be all white? It is not a pied, dominant or recessive, there are none on the mother's side. I do not know on the dad's side. later.... That bird is pied and he should not be. I trace the monther's lineage till 2002, no pied. On the father's side, I bought him in 2003 in a pet shop. His origins are a mystery. He fathered babies every year since I had him with a different female and he never had babies like this little female. No cinnamon either.

I think it is lypochromes which make the red canari red, but in psittacine birds, it is carotenoids. Budgies only have the yellow carotenoid, not the red and it cannot be enhanced by colour feeding. Read this: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/c...d/naming01.html

Bubbles, Scatt is moxidectin and Stronghold is selamectin. There is different ways to use Ivermectin, I looked it up because I was curious when I read in this forum that is was injected and given orally. It works perfectly well when used topically, even on advanced cases. They talk about it on Exotic Pet Vet. Vet to vet, Mites and lice. Of mites and men. http://www.exoticpetvet.net/

A lot of people on my forum (this one is in french) have problems with scaly face. Especially those members in France. They use a lot of Stronghold for kittens (Selamectin) for curing their birds, even the vets use it. At the same time, I find that they have a lot more infertility problems than what seem to be common elsewhere. Do you think that the use of these medications could cause long term infertility?Have you read anything which could help me figure this out? I know that there should be a rest period after Ivermectin or other medications have been taken before resuming reproduction. Any ideas?

I'm hearing stuff about the use of ivermectin on this forum I have never heard before. Painted on the beak, given orally and by injection??? I always tought it was given topically but then I add a look at at pet vet . net in the vet to vet section and all this is supposed to be O.K. If you're interested in reading it, here is the link: http://www.exoticpetvet.net/index.html Of lice and men

I know I'am a bit late with my comment but I never heard of Ivermectin being given by injection. Usually a single drop applied to the skin is sufficent to cure a 30 gr bird. Since the risk of overdose is very high, I don't see how an injection could help. I would be tempted to think of it as an added source of stress for a sick bird.

It would help her to be given a calcium supplement. Especially if she is not big on the cuttle bone or the minral block. Vets prescribe it in a syrup form to add to the water. It is not expensive and keeps for a very long time. Otherwise just give her lots of calciium rich foods apart from the egg food, like cooked eggs, low fat cottage cheese or yogourt. You can mix that with grated carrots or germinated seeds, whatever they like. If her calcium supply is not sufficient, she will depleat her own and get worned out. Making eggs takes lots of calcium and then there are babies to feed.

That is exactly what I tought Rainbow, do you read french by any chance! Personnaly I am interested in the "mechanics" of genetics but identifying mutation is not my thing. Thanks, I can't wait to see what the others will say.

Could you help me identify the budgie on the posts of the person name Sakura? I am putting the link to the forum because I don't know how to transfer the picture. http://perruche-ondulee.forumactif.com/vie...m?p=35226#35226

Javi, la qualidad des las fotografias de los ninos est excelente. Bueno! (Javi, the quality of your baby pictures is excellent. Good!)

I agree. I have the same couple but I haven't bre?d them yet. You could get some surprises too, you don't know what else the male can be hidding, perhaps some pied or some other recessive stuff. :ausb:

The difference is made very clearly in this article: http://www.birdhobbyist.com/parrotcolour/parblu04.html As a matter of fact the whole series of articles on this site is absolutely fantastic. Read it all and you'll learn a great deal.