**KAZ**

Hi and welcome Good to have you here. Prince is gorgeous and a white double factor spangle. Being friendly or not when you bought him may mean he was older than a baby as often petshops sell older budgies that they swear are babies when they arent. Anyway Prince looks a picture of health

Really impressive How does your breeding room cope with temperatures ?

Funny thing about this lighting.........research indicates it has to be really close to the cages for it to be effective. Fluorescent light will light up a whole birdroom enough. I am yet to be convinced that these expensive light globes that need replacing every six months and should be used closer to the cages than you use them are actually doing what they claim..........you may be convinced Renee, but it may be entirely other things you attribute to the globes that is affecting your breeding.

There is an old saying.........bad news travels faster than good news So, the way I see it...the publics perception of the bad examples of petshops will result in less feet walking in the door. We support the good ones and the bad ones will either learn something or lose business. I have somewhere educational info I printed up fo0r the benefit of petshops who seem to know surprisingly little at times at the habits of birds and thus their housing and feeding of birds leaves a lot to be desired. I leave this info at shops at times when I have it and am in certain pet shop locations. I think I would rather try and educate the owners than just bag them.

Lighting in your birdroom is great. Mine has fluorescent light. The 40 watt globe inside the cage will put out some heat and would not be necessary at all. I use 40 watt globes in my hospital cages and even with an open front cage you will build up heat, their water sours quickly and so on.

Theres a big difference between MATING and BREEDING. Mating is budgies recreational sex, and budgies do have recreational sex all the time, just as they kiss and preen each other and feed each other. Mating does not automatically lead to breeding. Your two are related by differing clutches and they dont know they are related. At some point in the future you may see them mating, but as long as there is no nestbox, no large food dishes that can be seen as a nest, or no newspaper to shred up on the bottom of the cage then mating behaviour may not lead to breeding and egglaying. BUT since you have a new large cage, I would put the two boys together in there and give them a chance to get along with the much larger space and more toys, ladders etc.

What a wonderful birdie palace !!!!

Richo........you really need to start using some UGLY CREAM........Eagle finds you far too attractive

Just for the record..............budgies cannot stay long term in small cages. After breeding they need space to fly in an aviary. If held up for too long in small cages there will be muscle wastage, and hens have trouble laying eggs.

So if your birds arent breeding they have nowhere to go ?

Pull them out and into a flight for awhile......check them for signs they may be moulting or have gone out of breeding condition. Even if you buy other birds you will have to quarantine and give them time to settle in so thats another 6 weeks or so. New birds on new food and new home often moult.

I agree with Macka

Dave...re the chick with the funny leg/foot. Feel and check higher up...between "knee"and "hip" .............some chicks are hatched with a deformity and there is a"break"in the section between hip and knee. When you investigate and if your chick has this, then you will see movement in that area when you manipulate gently............it looks like a break or dislocation. If this is the case with yours and in the same area, the chick would have to be euthenased. Just a suggestion......it may not be that at all.

Most likely.........he has only just begun a moult and isnt finished it yet.

I am trying to start a line of greywings and having a hard time getting stock :sad: The hen is opaline but I would say dilute before I would say greywing. Could be wrong but thats how I see her.

My suggestion about this fella :sad: is to send him to me

You are his significant other and in the budgie world you bond with each other and you share with each other............poopy beaks and all You only have to worry when he mates with your hand, your feet, your toes etc. unless of course you do look like his mother :sad: do you have feathers ?

There will only be the one chick from this pairing. The hen got off the eggs and a few days later she was found dead in the hospital cage. She was not eggbound and showed no signs of ill health or poopy bottom apart from needing to be near the warm lamp. Here is her son now......just going through his first moult.

I took two chicks out of the nestbox earlier. These two........... these two are still in the nestbox with the mother and four eggs and VIDEO

I am hanging out for more :sad: Splat

Welcome There may be someone on here that has budgies near you :sad:

easy to make Besides my hospital cage which I dont often use these days, I have another method that works really well fort any birds who are sick or just plain off colour. I also use it for my kindie cage babies if some of them need extra warmth.Ever heard of a CAR TROUBLE LAMP ? its what mechanics use to hang up for light when working on their cars.....ask you family, they may have one somewhere. Like this These have a nice long cord, and a part where you screw in the light globe ( you will have to use warm incandescent light globes...I use 40 watt globes )...they also have a hanging hook on them. Great for in the birdroom, quarantine area, or kindie cage. You just hook it onto the front of the cage and the birds gravitate towards it for warmth if they arent well. Very handy for many reasons. I can run two or three at once around the birdroom if need be. Keeps the birds in their original cages and not all in together in a hospital cage. In Australia they have phased out incandescent globes now, but I bought up on the ones I needed so I have about 300 of each type of globe......40 watt screw ins for the car trouble lamps and 25 watt bayonets for the hospital cage :rofl:

Four chciks still in the nest...........plus four eggs

Great news I have a hospital cage you can borrow if you want to. http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=15354