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Despite me being sick and still having to work 24/7 on some leadlight jobs that have overlapping deadlines, Ken has decided he will finish off most of the aviary through the weekend. True to his promise he went off and bought the tubular square steel and joiners for the popout end of the aviary today. Fingers crossed He has Monday off work too, but also his dad has been admitted to hospital so I expect some delays.

I agree with Hamish about the additional bird netting around the aviary, and he will be fine missing a toe.

Hi Amy and WELCOME

Check him over thoroughly in case there are any other piercing wounds you havent noticed. You have done great so far for him.........wonderful job. Birds in shock need warmth, so a warm lamp by his cage will also help.

The spangle on the right is opaline.

From what I can see here there is a lot of white on both ceres. If that is correct then I say they are both females. ..............and cuties at that

Thankyou very much I knew it was most likely spangle greywing

No cinnamon happening here at all. Its pale grey you are seeing.

I merged your new topic back into your original one as its the same topic with updates. she cant have laid two eggs in one night as they lay with two days between each egg. I hope she sits and incubates for you now. As far as whether or not the eggs will be fertile, give it a few days of her sitting and after she has incubated for around 5 days consistently candle the eggs and see what you can see.

Hi Rybinna I am quite surprised at your vet. He seems to have given you bad information. Was he a proper avian vet at all ? If the lump was truly an egg, it would have been located down at the tail end of the bird and the egg would have arrived within a day or so of seeing the lump in the right place. Obviously it wasnt an egg or it would have arrived within two days of seeing it. By adding the nestbox all it has done is trigger her into breeding mode and breeding has begun because of the nestbox and within a timeframe of adding a nestbox for her to begin thinking about making babies. All of this due to bad information from the vet. If it was an egg another would have followed within two days of the first egg and every two days after as well. the lump.................is it still there and if so where is it located ? and where was the lump when the vet declared it to be an egg ? A lump in another place can be a feather cysts or a tumour. It can be a feather cyst or tumour of the preening gland if located at the back end of the bird. Anything on the front of the bird wouldnt be an egg at all.

Both cinnamonwing normals. Cinnamon reduces appearance of actual strength of body colour. Chances are you have a cinnamon olive or grey green and a cinnamon mauve or violet.

I have lost track of a chick...What i mean to say is i have a chick in a foster nest that can have come from one of three possible sources. It was added as an egg, and its likely I added three different eggs. I had some notes on cards on the cages and some of the budgies ate theirs It could be from a found egg from a grey green spangle and a violet clearwing accidental mating. It could also be from my greywing to dilute pairing. Or from a grey green spangle hen to a green dominant pied....accidental mating. Here are some pictures and maybe you experts can work it out because I sure cant

Well dad isnt a spangle but mum could be a spangle recessive pied. Can we have a closeup of her wing markings ?

Nothing is easy about breeding budgies. 1. they have to be of age and not too old....12 months to 4 years being optimum. 2. preparation with regard to perfect varied diet prior to and during breeding which is your responsibility. 3. breeding more than one pair at the same time ( in different cages ) will ensure you have foster parents for eggs or babies should anything go wrong with parenting or health issues. 4. They have to be in condition...........peak condition healthwise and peak condition breeding wise.....i.e. breeding condition.

Thank's splat but I'm not even sure about the mantle etc. I don't show and am trying to read up on "what's what" but not very advanced, I'm assuming it's picture 5 with the clear area on it's back. No 6 is a different bird but very similar. In acchieving good opalines the clear section on its back with a definite v shape like this is a prized attribute to good opaline breeders.

At least we learn lessons by all this and we become better bird owners/keepers.

That white chick would have to be a dark eyed clear wouldnt it ? :sadsorry: and the yellow to the left of it might be one too ?

I waited what seemed like forever for mine, but once the slab was laid the incentive to finish it is with you. Good luck :sadsorry:

The pictures you are posting are 120px × 160px and you can post 480 by 640 here.

Well, I am now that you have said she is good :laughter: We will see how she looks when she is fully moulted out.

Roast dinner at Richo's YEAH :laughter: He has plenty of time to prepare :sadsorry:

More pictures please especially clear ones of the cere in natural light ( no flash on camera ). You seem to have a spangle and a recessive pied. Due to tiny piks they both look like females right now, but I will reserve my opinion and wait for better clearer pictures. You are allowed to post pictures 480 by 640 on here.

Yummo :sadsorry:

I was in the smaller temporary aviary earlier today and it was quite warm. Then when I went into the new flight area it was way cooler. I think the aspect will work out good for the birds. The higher roofline will keep it cooler. The temporary aviary has a very low roof so it warms up quicker. The crossflow breezes ( in the new flights ) will help in summer with the windows that can be opened. The morning sun comes up the side the windows are on. The late afternoon sun ( which in summer will be hottish ) will be kind of mid flight area. The open ended flight section will be where they are late afternoon and at the feeding platform two thirds of the way down the flights. They will perch at dusk after the sun has been at its hottest. We will erect shade sails over the roof for summer and across the paved area between birdroom and aviary. In theory it should all work out. :sadsorry:

12 months minimum for breeding. Too old for a female is after she is 4 years....5 years is best to retire a female as she is more likely to suffer eggbinding or prolapse. Males can still breed up to 6-7 years.