**KAZ**

how old are your budgies ? and how have you set the cage up and what kind of cage ?

great photos

She gets to eat a lot of good things right now. Cooked chicken and vegies and rice Raw meat Sausages Puppy biscuits ( bone shaped ) ...she will eat these. Egg flips ( raw egg, puppy milk with calcium, and her calcium syrup ) Scrambled eggs made with calcium enriched puppy milk. Chicken necks Now I was told that raw eggs will likely give her salmonella poisoning. I said she hasnt had that in all the three years she's been given eggs ( both chicken eggs and the clear eggs, shell and all from the budgies ) ........Vet says " just because she hasnt with 20 or so eggs already doesnt mean she wont now". Wouldnt that be different if I was collecting eggs from a chookyard and not washing them ? Besides she has had way more than 20 eggs in her three years also. Wouldnt the risk of salmonella also come with giving her raw chicken necks ?? Yet the vets says to give them those too when he isnt forcing the canned food diet. I will never believe that a dry food diet or canned food diet is a complete meal for any dog. None of the dogs I have had over the past 40 years have had to have that rubbish. The vets are just using this situation to force the issue, just as they do with birds and the pellet debate every time one of us takes a bird to the vet.

Gorgeous seems a few of us have Cavaliers Love your dogs...have always loved great danes as well. When does Star arrive ?

They were trying emotional blackmail on me............the vet basically said if I didnt feed the processed puppy food in a can to maggie right now then she and her puppies would die. It was at this point I told him I was hanging up on him. The point I was trying to make was she wont eat it so what can I add to what she is eating to make the difference ? They were being hardnosed and wouldnt assist in that way. Its the canned food or not. The canned food or death to ***** and puppies and it would be all my fault and then I was a bad pet owner.

How did the dogs and cats of the days I was growing up ever survive ?? If you are to believe the vets advice these days about what they should and shouldnt eat, what they should and shouldnt have and why ..........it amazes me the dogs and cats of my childhood ever survived to adulthood themselves !! Dogs and cats used to eat the scraps off our dinner plates as well as food of their own. They would eat the onions and garlic in leftover stews. they would get bowls of milk, cream, yoghurt and anything looking slightly off in the fridge. These days we are told........OH NO !! They cant have that !! with horror in the voice of a vet nurse as she advises care for Maggie who is nursing her pups. We are trying to get Maggie to eat well for her pups. Yesterday she lost her milk supply to a great degree and then wouldnt eat much at all. Due to dilligent care and attention from me she is better and eating today. I was trying anything and everything. I am, trying to acchieve a massive workload of leadlight jobs and repairs and still having to be awake a good part of the night to be sure Maggie is okay and well and eating and drinking and also I am supplement feeding her pups by bottle. Why wont Maggie eat the pasty high protein puppy canned muck that costs and arm and a leg ?? She must they say...she needs it. She may need it but she wont touch it and I dont blame her. We bought the high protein puppy biscuits the vet advised she needs at $25 for a small pack. She wont touch them either. they stink to high heaven....very strong smelling. I tried disguising them by mixing them through some cooked chicken. They stuck to the cooked chicken and then she extricated each and every 5mm round puppy biscuit from the chicken and spat it out. I have been giving her egg flips.....calcium enriched puppy milk with an egg beaten into it and also her obligatory calcium syrup she absolutely must have by vets instructions. She loves them !! Its a good way to get protein into her, her extra calcium AND the puppy milk the vets say she must have. Now they tell me........ NO!!!!! she cant have uncooked eggs !!! All the years I bred dobermanns my dobies got eggflips three times a week and I dont recall any of them getting sick on it. Maggie also has had raw eggs many times. including any budgie eggs that werent fertile, shell and all. I read how giving her scrambled eggs with a little extra butter through it helps a mother feeding puppies........so I cook her scrambled eggs with the calcium enriched puppy milk and eggs and a tablespoon of butter. she eats it, when she wasnt eating much of anything..... bonus !! Then the vet nurse says again NO !!!! dont give her butter. It may upset her system and give her the runs !! A nursing mother has soft poos anyway especially having recently eaten the placentas of the puppies. Has the butter changed her poos ? NO....it hasnt. Then the vet nurse tackles me on why I didnt have Maggie fully eating the high protein puppy canned food before and through having the puppies. I tell her that we have always fed them better food than that and our dogs will NOT eat canned food anymore. Why is it that vets and their staff figure the canned pasty refined muck is better than what we are feeding the dogs ..........a full and varied diet thats a bit more natural ? Are they fully believing the " blurb " on the side of the can ? So....how do we convince a dog who hates canned and processed foods that suddenly its better for them ? Starve her till she eats it ?! the diet our dogs have had for a very long time is......... Kangaroo, mutton and beef, cooked with either pasta or rice and vegies. Raw meat. Chicken necks Chicken carcasses. Biscuits Eggs. Whats so bad about that ? I am wondering what is so bad about that in comparison to canned food being currently recommended. There's no encouragement by vets and staff of vets when you say you feed a variety to your dogs. They promote the canned and dry biscuit diet. this all reminds me very much of the vets that ignore the fact we budgie breeders offer so much variety of foods to our budgies and still say NO !!! feed them PELLETS !! so.........tell me people did we kill all the dogs and cats in our childhood by feeding them all this WRONG FOOD ????? I dont recall any of them dying an early death. In fact I think they lived longer than many pets do these days. Am I wrong ? Frustration is me......now trying to give Maggie the best I can for her and her puppies and being told by the vets I am doing it all wrong. Add to that little sleep and a chronic workload. I have decided to not phone the vets anymore unless absolutely necessary. BUT believe it or not they keep phoning me :hurryup: Just had another of the vets on the phone to me and I spoke to him at length and actually ended up hanging up on him They insist that there is only one way to go. If I dont make Maggie eat the canned dog food , I must fully handraise the puppies all by myself. I was trying to get from him ............what does the canned food have in it that I could get to give Maggie as an extra in the food she would eat. All I got from him was a fast reply about extra vitamins and when I asked what they were and how to get them...he wouldnt tell me. He insists if I refuse to force Maggie to eat the canned dog food she wont touch then I have no choice but to handraise the puppies myself. There is no half measures according to them. So.....any suggestions ?

You would find it near impossible to pick one of her "friends". She will settle in. Besides two budgies make it harder to tame them

Three babies Eldest chick next chick and youngest

Vertical or horizontal ?

Wish I could meet you there but I think airfares from W.A. would be more than $150 Hey Kaz you said you would come to one this is it lol.I have heard BIG DOLLARS is what you need and lots of them :hurryup: Too many vets fees of late to be spending up on budgies. If I really want any I have a mate or two who can bid for me BUT might give it a miss this time.

Blue legrings were used from September 1st last year and current till september this year. Your bird can be anything up to 8 nearly nine months old.

agreed Does this budgie have a leg ring on ?

I remember reading somewhere that citrus is not good for budgies Oranges and other citrus fruits can cause indigestion and fits possibly leading to death. I would like confirmation ( proof ) on this too, as all I have heard is citrus is good for budgies. Mine eat orange and lemon no problems.

Supplemental feedings

one foot is 30cm so your cage is not a foot deep then but two

She is QUEEN Maggie right now and is eating better than we are :yes:

by one foot is a very shallow depth of cage. Can you post a picture please ?

Maggie is struggling with her milk supply to feed the pups, so I am feeding some of them off the bottle here and there. Puppies are doing fine.

Special moments :yes:

Heres the boys...................... and heres the girls.................... Click on pictures for slideshow

Wish I could meet you there but I think airfares from W.A. would be more than $150 :yes:

That is really excellent news Shannon. Great job !!! :yes:

Hard to say as a flash has been used and the cere colour is not true.

Terrific birds In particluar like your albinos

Chokos are a vegetable http://www.shepherds-pie-recipe.com/images/chokos.jpg I hate them :wub: My mum used to force me to eat them as a kid.............what an Orrible experience that was