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Here's where we spill the beans on all the rotten things that happen when breeding budgies...................... I will start. ( some of these things happened when I was first starting out ) 1. Opened a nest once to check six fertile eggs, the hen got so silly she flapped and flew and kicked all six eggs out onto the concrete floor ) SPLAT !! 2. One of the best young greywing hens I ever bred flew into the feeder platform during a lightening storm one night and broke her neck 3. One of my best bred young hens breaks her leg at the hip joint and it cant be fixed. 4. A greywing cock I bought at auction for $450 arrived with feather quill mites, took ages to clear, then goes down with paralysis of feet before I was able to breed him. 5. A hen I paid $350 for lasted five days in the quarantine cage and died. 6. A dark stained egg that appeared a dead in shell chick was about to be tossed in the bin, but I opened it before throwing out, to find the chick was alive and fine inside........till I opened it and killed it More to follow ..... ( Your turn )

It can sometimes fix itself apparently.

Looks like he can be fixed but may need an avian vet to attend to it My birds didnt get that chance........they had other issues as well.

the way I understand it is .............if the air sac ruptures the air is displaced in the body cavity. This can happen by injury or trauma ( he may have fallen while mating ? maybe ? ). Mine had other issues going on also and they didnt last the distance. If the airsac is ruptured then the crop is allowed to drop into that space.

Looks like a bird or two I have had........diagnosed as a ruptured air sac. AIR SAC RUPTURE Birds have a series of air sacs located internally. These are in the neck area (cervical air sacs), the chest (thoracic air sacs) and in the belly (abdominal air sacs). These areas are part of a bird’s breathing system and help the bird receive oxygen from the air in a highly efficient manner. They also help provide the lightness and buoyancy needed for flight. Occasionally, one of these air sacs may rupture (usually due to injury) and air will leak from the sac and accumulate under the bird’s skin. This condition is known as subcutaneous emphysema. This accumulation must be removed, or the air sac may tear even further. WHAT TO DO ( if you feel qualified .....otherwise seek an avian vet........preferred choice ) Clean the skin over the swelling with a disinfectant on a cotton ball. Take a small scissors or a needle and make a tiny hole in the skin. This allows the air to escape. This may need to be done several times before the air is released. It has been shown that air sacs normally repair themselves within two weeks. However, if you see no improvement within a day or two, your avian veterinarian should see the bird. It is probably a good idea to have the bird seen anyway.

I would rest the pair for a few months, try again and if she or he does it again dont use them again.

Well you must have been impressed with them and I hope they fulfill your dreams and expectations Would love to see pictures. Was the breeder a show breeder ?

Alpaca..........back to Mum and Dad for the lecture on the birds and bees Babies do not grow in the ovaries. Womb........and theres only one womb. No. If they were identical they would be sharing one egg sac and definitely would not survive. I had twins hatch and they were both sky dominant pieds, one male one female and slightly different. Two seperate babies in one egg. My twins topic http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....83&hl=twins and a photo twins in an egg that didnt make it http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....29&hl=twins

As ADMIN I will step in and say a couple of things here. Alan......whilst you seem to have enough faith in your research etc to have taken the steps you did you also admit you dont know the longterm consequences of what you think worked. As we have many underaged members on here we do have a DUTY OF CARE in the knowledge we impart. We cant have some of our young members getting their dogs spot on and dosing their budgies willy nilly, no advise of dosage or longterm effects etc and then their parents coming back at us saying they learnt it here and now their budgie is dead. Some things are best not said out aloud sometimes. GB and Alan............no need to make assumptions on a persons standard of education based on spelling. There are a few people on here who are dyslexic but that doesnt make them stupid because they have issues with the written word. My husband is dyslexic and I have to help him all the time. If posts written down dont read well due to this I try to subtly correct to make it readable but not necessarily take over a whole post and spellcheck unless that person is having a real bad day. Its give and take. Perhaps in light of thinking of the whole picture..............i.e. ages of members, duty of care in advice given out etc etc...........we should rein in some of the comments along the lines of those in this topic by BOTH SIDES PLEASE !!!!!!!!!

Oh Dean Believe it or not these things happen to all of us. Its easier on these forums to just talk about the positives so thats what we do to feel better about the cr*p moments. At least all of us here understand WHY we get so elated about good looking chicks in nests and so down in the dumps about the losses. Most families and other friends dont understand our heights of emotions about these feathered loves of our lives.

ALWAYS check the newly hatched chicks................. not only for signs of being fed BUT A mother may spill some of the feeding across the baby budgies "face" . This feeding will set like concrete and stop the baby being able to open its beak for further feeds. I just checked a nest with three babies. One was lying on its back with no food in its crop. I checked closer and found its face was all gummed up with a previous feeding and had set so the poor little chickie could not open its beak for another feed and so it was missing out on being fed. I removed the crusty food off its face and it has since been fed. Fingers crossed it isnt too late

I have had one successful set of twins hatch from a large egg like that. Three other sets of twins didnt make it. Chances are very slim, but it can happen.

How old are they and has he been using them to breed with ?

Caught two of the spangles on camera this morning ( will get the grey later on ) Sky spangle cock Sky spangle hen (PLUCKA )

Yeah, because the male was seen being 'loving' to the perch the other day. Poor hen, he's cheating on her with a perch! I have two males in the aviary who are kissing with each other all the time. The other day I saw them kissing each other while one of them was humping the perch at the same time !!!

It sounds very much like you are jumping in the deep end first if you pay those kind of prices starting out. I wouldnt if I was in your shoes.

At a members request we are starting a members violet budgies section

Knowing what can happen in a breeding season, I would expect anything. Go on, buddy, spill the beans. We will understand what you are going through

No, a different pair. I gave them a breeding cage this afternoon Now have 50 breeding cages in the birdroom.

Good news

Check through here http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=14564

LOL, yes. Although maybe the hen was using the male to get over her lost mate. SERIOUSLY doubt it Budgies are not in the least monogamous.

An explanation of how oil works makes me very happy to be using ivermectin.........one spot on the back of the neck under the feathers.....once only.......a whole lot less hassle. PS It seems you have more than one pet type bird so why not use the ivermectin. You can also get the kind that goes in the water for the flock.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/davehansen/eggbind.html

She is very pretty