Gypsy

I think Snowflake is male as well

She definatly looks green to me

I believe it is a grey wing black eye white. Most show birds are Cinnamon Black Eye as it make the wing markings almost invisible. She looks like a grey wing if you look at the pale cheek patches, grey spots and the colour of the feet. ETA: oh and she is possibly an opaline as well. ETA: (or DEC) as this is incorrect. The black eye variety have iris rings and DEC do not.

The grey is male and the yellow face is female. In babies the cere is pink/purple in males and blue/white in females.

first photo left to right normal spangle greygreen male, normal spangle mauve male, normal cinnamon spangle mauve female, albino female, opaline spangle grey female http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/gyp...um/RIMG0707.jpg second photo left to right front perch normal greywing spangle grey male, normal grey male, opaline clearbody female (moulting so blotchy), normal cinnamon light green female http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g157/gyp...um/RIMG0708.jpg edit to correct spelling

Yes it would make more sence to name them that way. But unfortunately they were named in the order they were discovered.

The book is written about all parrot mutations. The terminalogy used in it is not at all similar to the terms used by show budgie breeders. Think of the terms in the book relating to Indian Ringneck Parrots instead of budgies. The budgie show scene in Australia does not use these terms. I think we use the same as other countries. So the par blue 2 spangle bird photo above by Daz would be called a single factor Australian yellowface (or specifically golden face) cobalt blue spangle as opposed to the English yellow face (or cream face). The main confusion seems to be that a single factor Australian yellow face bird has the yellow from the mask bleed through the breast colour when the bird has moulted to adult feathers, and the double factor bird has the yellow restricted to the mask and possibly wings only. The English yellow face is completely different in that the single factor bird has a pale yellow face and the double factor bird has a white face but will only produce yellow faced chicks when mated to any other blue bird. The really confusing part is that some people have interbred the two varieties and the English variety seems to be more dominant than the Australian. Sort of like the way that the Texas clearbody is dominant to the ino birds but both are still sex-linked. Does this make sence Hath? Regards, Gypsy

Maybe I have. (Laughing out loud)

Thanks Nerwen, I was unsure myself until the photos of the parents were posted. Then it made sense.

It looks like the mother is an opaline spangle green and the father is a spangle yellow face blue. The chick is therefore a double factor spangle yellowface blue. The double factor spangle has no wing markings at all and the body colour will be blue at the top of the chest and get lighter going down to the tail. Being yellowface the wings are also of that colour (yellow). I would say that as the chick moults out to the adult feathers, the yellow will mix through the chest and be a mottled green colour just unger the bib (or mask) and stay blue to white on the chest. Hope this helps, Natalie

From the photos the chicks will be: half will be spangle (white wings with black edging) half will be normal (black wings with white edging) If the male carries the recessive pied genes then half will be recessive pied and the other half will be normal or spangle. If the male carries the blue gene then half will be blue and half will be grey. If not then all will be grey in colour and carry the blue gene for the next generation. If the male carries any of the sex-linked varieties like albino, cinnamon, or clearbody then that will affect the chicks as well, with half the female chicks showing these varieties and the others being the colours listed above. None of the male chicks will show these sex-linked varieties. But of course the only way to really tell is to wait and see what happens. Good luck, Gypsy