Elly

How exciting, fingers crossed for filled eggs

Dek, just put in the Ino Mutations one of his birds that is very similar but an ino, I questioned him on the color of the eyes and it is red so it is an ino. SO question Deb where either of the spangles pied? Why could it not be a Double Factor Pied Spangle and the suffision is coming through pied? If it was pied it would be a Clearflight because there is no banding. If there is no pied gene involved then it is just suffision and as MB said can be blotchy.

I can't wait to see the results to see if you get any dilutes like the hen, if so then the dad is split for dilute . Keep us updated for sure.

To be honest it isn't a bad thing. there are some birds that start off with red eyes and later they go more dark they are known as (plum eyes) and then there are those that stay red (red eyes). By cutting those out you are not allowing certain colours to come through... like cinamon, albino, lutino, lacewing, fallow... It isn't considered a birth defact with budgies... at least I've never heard of it used in that way... I look forward to seeing your flock grow through your responsible breeding. It sounds like you have thought about it. Good on you! This type of mutation is very common in budgies . In some species like us humans, dogs and others there are sometimes health issues that come with albinism but not in budgies . I think understanding how the ino gene works in reference to budgies is important. So know that breeding ino is okay in budgies and don't come with the health issues that some species do. I think this is where you are coming from? If not sorry. Lutino/albino effectively erases all color and markings of a budgie, leaving only the base color (yellow or white). Lutino and albino are the same variety; they are just different names for the same variety in yellow-based budgies and white-based budgies. Lutinos are yellow based budgies,and are all yellow with red/pink eyes. Albinos are white-based budgies and are all white with red/pink eyes. There are two mutations which show up on the lutino/albino. Cinnamon causes the head and wing markings to show up in a light brown color, creating the lacewing variety. Yellowface causes the albino, normally all white, to show different degrees of pale yellow. These budgies are sometimes called creamino. If it is a yellowface type I the yellow will be restricted to the mask area. If it is a yellowface type II, all the albino's feathers will be a creamy off-yellow color. The cere of the male lutino/albino budgie does not change normally. Adult male lutinos/albinos have purple ceres. Adult female lutinos/albinos have the normal white/tan/brown ceres. Reference article: http://www.budgieplace.com/c_ino.html

That is so true, acceptance is the hardest part of that whole thing. I was told 2 weeks ago that my dog has cancer, I cried for a week, I have now accepted the inevitable, but I still cry when I hug her.

Olive Green Spangle Cock x Lacewing Female 100% Greens unless both birds are split to blue 50% Spangle 50% Normals Male birds will be split for Lacewing but will not be visual You will get no Lacewings out of this clutch unless the dad is split for ino & cinnamon If the cock is split to either ino or cinnamon then you could get lutino or cinnamon females. Lacewing is a composite of cinnamon and lacewing combined together so the 2 genes are separate but create the the 1 mutation. If you bought both of the birds at the same time, I would say they could very well be related and would not chance a mating.

All your pictures have been moved or deleted? And the only one showing is very dark, can you please fix.

Good advice given all around, the hardest thing but maybe the most wonderful is that you have so much knowledge. BIG HUGS to you and I know you will do awesome on your exams, you are a very beautiful and intellegent young woman.

Kids do fine at the dentist as long as it doesn't hurt after that it is all downhill. My son had a cavity filled and a root canel because the dentist didn't get all the decay out the first time :mad:, anyways he was very wiggly and taught him to brush his teeth better. At that age general will most like be given and that is best for them because you don't want them to remember 45 minutes of drilling.

Very good Kaz, excellent networking skills . This is so valuable to our forum

JB with that picture he looks white face Yes ino to ino is not recommended what is recommended is ino to normal split to ino . Violets and Recessive Pieds also tend to be smaller birds too.

Alright so we've pretty much got it sorted perhaps.. Kyra (that is the baby's name) is a Mauve/Violet Recessive Pied.. Yes Storm is a Violet Spangle (Opaline?) maybe Continental Clearflight, definetly split for Recessive. Yes And Banshee is a Cobalt/Violet Dominant Pied, maybe split for Recessive? The dad is a normal split to recessive pied. There is NO way you would have gotten a recessive baby if both parents didn't carry the gene. If there is no band he is not a Dominant Pied, if he has a spot on the back of the head it is due to to most likely showing that he is split for recessive pied. He is like my Merlin he has a spot on the back of the head but is considered a normal NOT pied. He shows NO sign of being recessive pied they are very distinctive in their markings and they have no iris rings. The orange beak can help be an indication on a bird that looks like a recessive pied but is not a tell tale sign. Neville, can there be a poorly marked Clearflight Pied and that is why there is some markings on the wings? That is all I can make of that whole situation.

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Just too beautiful Sunny, I love the the dilute

If we don't have that one I am sure we have something like it

You would get opaline chicks if the male was opaline or split to opaline and he would give it to his daughters] if you breed two opalines you would get mixed sexes Hard to see iris rings don't mean he is split to anything it just means they are hard to see. The only positive way to know if he is split is if you breed him to another bird that is split or also a recessive pied, or if he carried the small spot on the back of the head denoting split to recessive but we are saying he is a Clearflight Pied because he does have iris rings which would mean that his mom Storm would have to be too.

Both parents have to carry the recessive pied gene they can be a recessive pied or be a normal split to recessive pied I believe Storm is an Opaline too, and when bred she gives 1 gene to the male which makes them split to opaline but not visual (they need 2 sex linked genes to be visual and hen's only need 1 to be visual with a sex-linked gene only) Banshee has iris rings yes

very nice, looks like the chicks are greywing too, I think both parents are visual greywings personally

okay..With Storm being split for Recessive pied, that would explain why her baby would be Recessive Pied (both parents being split for Rec. Pied) and Storm still have the iris rings..But what about Banshee? I don't know what he looks like do you have a picture you can post here to make it simple Make sure it is front and back. He was from a normal budgie and Storm.. The normal did not look split for Recessive Pied at all (though I do know it doesn't have to be visible all the time) so what is Banshee? If he's a Clearflight Pied (as he definetly has no white band) doesn't that mean that Storm is both Pieds, seeing as Banshee's father couldn't have been split for Clearflight Pied? Would like to see a picture of Banshee And if Banshee's actually split for Rec. Pied instead, that would mean that his father also was split? If a bird is split for recessive pied he could have gotten it from either parents it is not sex-linked. Also, what I have seen of Spangles with the pied marking, it kind of looks different to an actual Pied..or that just might be my imagination. Though Banshee's brother was a Spangle and not any type of Pied, and his spot was not like Storm's..But I didn't think that even Spangles had the head spot, and the white around the neck as well, though I'm probably wrong here? :hap: Do you have a closer picture of the back of both the birds in question please. Storm looks like an opaline too. Hi Neville

I have been checked out and they always send me home and they do a strep and I can't believe it is negative. Nuts huh...now hasn't this gone OFF TOPIC :hap:

I am agreeing here with Neville, on this one, that is the way I am seeing it too. I also think that the chick could be carrying the violet gene which is making the mauve a more intense coloration too. Spangles also are known to have the pied spot but not be a pied. Okay, so that means that Banshee (Storm's previous chick from a while ago) is actually Dominant Pied with no white band, as well as Storm? And if the baby is Rec. Pied, then that means that Storm has to be split for Rec. Pied doesn't it? Dominant Pieds always have a white band Clearflight Pieds do not have the white band but the clear flights (it is a dominant gene) Both birds are split to recessive to throw a recessive baby.

she would have to be mauve, grey appears grey on a blue bird, what color are the cheek patches have them come in yet? Grey birds have grey cheek patches. The reason I ask to see the back of Storm is to see if she is a Clearflight Pied which is dominant since she doesn't have the band of white she is not a Dominant Pied. The baby really looks more recessive then dominant in my opinion at this point.

What fun that must be to experience Kaz

Go Fish...just seed, Merlin looks great no molting. Have you ever heard of Webkins? My kids love them.