Elly

You really should never medicate a bird unless you know what is actually wrong with the bird. Just like in people it could be more harmful then helpful plus they will weigh your bird to ensure you receive the correct dosage. Has she seen the vet yet?

She is very pretty congrats If you pair her with a normal you will get 100% single factor dominant pieds and then any surprised with recessive genes. All babies will be blue.

wonderful pictures, I like the 2 babies on the lower branch what a cute picture

reminds me of my Merlin in coloring too that is a great shot of the coloration because it seems it can come out too blue or washed out.

Here in the US you will not find as many different mutations and colorations as you do in AU or maybe other countries. Here in Ohio I find mostly normals, clearflight dominant pieds, recessives, I have seen maybe 1 or 2 spangles they were light greens. Not the variety that Bubbles or in fact many of the other breeders here on the boards display. Hurdy lives in CA and she has been lucky enough to find a breeder that offers different type of mutations. I have yet to see a violet, grey, or yellow face blue in the pet stores to be honest. So if he is LEGIT it would be a great opportunity if you are looking for this mutation along with it being a healthy bird.

Personally he should be able to provide pictures. Violets come in many colors from dilute, normal (such as my Merlin), to greens carrying it to sky blues. The thing about violets is that camera flashes DO wash them out at times and other times make the color more intense. So the actual photograph would give you an idea BUT it could be a cobalt and not a violet and people can enhance pictures. Know what I mean. I got Merlin here from a rescue lady in IL (don't ask it was a long trip) and my husband was going that route anyways. We live in Ohio. You can go to bubbles pictures she had just had a batch of YF2 violets or PM her personally she could help you with coloring. My concern though is if he is not willing to provide pics I would personally be concerned it is not a scam of some sort or even someone who is odd to say the least. That is me though.

I agree Shawna I am with you there have been in grey's in our area either. You are forunate.

A blue based bird with a grey gene comes out to be a grey colored bird that maybe where the blue hue is coming into play. The 2nd picture he looks like an opaline grey from what I can see. Pretty bird, congrats

1) Will a bird described as a YF violet necessarily appear "purplish" with a yellow face? Or, could a bird be referred to in this way -- genetically speaking -- without "showing" the violet? **Not all violets appear to be purplish some are a very deep blue such as my Merlin. Their cheek patches appear to be very dark blue. 2) Assuming the bird appears to be some shade of purple, is there one consistent expectation as to the intensity of the color, or could it be light, medium, dark? Could the tone vary from one bird to the next, say from more of a purple to more of a blue? Violet is an added color and it can appear in green birds too and not be notice, sometimes it can appear around the vent or the legs. A Skyblue can be a violet and show it around the neck and vent area it doesn't mean it darkens the color. There are different shades depending on how many dark factors your bird carrys too. 3) Would normal wing markings necessarily be expected, or could this vary as well? Violet doesn't change the wing marking in anyway. Wing markings can be brown, black, grey or the body color but this is not determined by the violet gene.

that doesn't sound like play that sounds more like beak fighting fights that can lead to injury. My 2 do not do this in play.

what do you mean hacking? Dolphin noises? Can you describe more please

they look great. Oz so reminds me of Merlin Blinks well he is super sexy no matter what. Bailee and Cooks looking awesome!

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excellent news, would any be good for the show ring?

Gorgeous birds. Your first bird did you use the flash? I ask because it can wash out the grey marking on the wings making it look like a clearwing but could be a fullbody greywing. So that is a question I have about April. For Rainbow if you can get a better shot of the back of the wing to ensure that there is spangle in there it looks like but not sure. Does Gina have iris rings? Because unless it is the camera I think I see the plum from recessive pied though her marks feature a dominant pied? June looks more like a green then a light but it could be my eyes and I agree Recessive Pied. Big Fellow Yellow Face Tye 2 normal green Chevy recessive pied could be violet or cobalt, but as Joey said hard to tell with the blur. May need a better picture all around because I believe the flash could have washed her out or she may just have that hue. If she has the hue then as Joey said DEC if she has no iris rings and DF spangle if there are iris rings if the bird has red eyes would be an ino. A lot of possibilities there. Little Boy would love to see another picture of him skyblue opaline but looks like he could be carrying the violet gene. Tips on photographing your birds. Don't use flash it washes them out, get as close as possible or if you can't before you post the pictures if you have a program that lets you bring the picture closer and crop that helps. Also try and get back and front shots straight foward instead of an angle when asking for mutations. These are just things I have learned when trying to figure them out. . Just helpful hints. You have gorgeous birds. As for your non flyer his secondary wings I believe are pointing down and they are not all uniformed and together, along with the tail feathers. Have you ever had him tested for any type of feather disease? You may want to do that to ensure his flying is not health related.

what a combo Karen , they look wonderful

I believe it to be more nervousness.

Oh I would think that would be an old wives tale, but lets see what others think.

awe they are precious :fear

if his cheek patches are grey or silvery he is a grey but if they are blue he is most likely a mauve

I have read through this post and I think I have totally lost the point of what we are really talking about personally. Here are some sites that I have read through (I AM NOT PROMOTING THEM) http://www.budgies.org/info/faq.html#english http://www.peteducation.com/article.cfm?cl...&articleid=2269 http://www.petplace.com/birds/choosing-a-b...keet/page1.aspx Reading through these article and many more in the America yes we use the words English is show and American is pet. When I came to this board a little over a year ago that is how I learned it from the people on this board. We say mom you say mum, you use words such as bloke and such? AU, NZ, England words and phrases are different then American YES. Should we correct it and say we don't use mum we use mom? Absolutely not. Anyways....I am sure my post will get ripped who knows. I know Merlin as an English (and he is MY pet not show) I love him. I know Pretty is my American (or MY PET and yes pet) I love him. Karen you are right about American budgie. Here they DO not advertise American budgies at different pet stores around here but they will say English budgies for sale and we know they are not the standard pet budgie or they just say budgie or parakeets for sale. Another debate yes budgies are 1 form of parakeets but you must remember here in the US they do standardize them as parakeets. Even in written books.

Thank you Kelly , he does hold himself so proud.

I agree with Karen, has she seen an avian vet?

yes we love pics . Thank you for sharing. My Pretty had a misguided love for a long time until we got Merlin. I was our 2 cats Max and Mollii