Elly

anything that is brown would be considered cinnamon brown coloration can vary http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/index....showtopic=12643 check here for standards

nope you don't need 2 recessive pied genes it is when 1 recessive pied gene combines with 1 clearflight gene = dark eyed clear mutation 2 recessive gene = recessive pied

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did you sell it Kaz?

The dark-eyed clear is actually a combination of recessive pied and clearflight pied. When these two mutations are both present, the budgie is has no markings or color. It is either pure yellow (if it is a yellow-based budgie) or pure white (if it is a white-based budgie). The dark-eyed clear's dark eyes never lighten with age, hence the name. You can tell a budgie is a dark-eyed clear because its eyes stay a dark plum color throughout its life. So the mom gave the clearflight gene and the dad the recessive pied gene and with that combo that is how you got a Dark Eyed Clear. The picture looks fuzzy to me and I am not best with babies feathering but that is how the genetics works .

what do you think Aly you know my monitor (Laughing out loud) she looks brown to me.

Thank you to Aly aka feathers, Pheobe aka Robin, Kaz aka Karen for assisting me in writing and editing these 3 wonderful article that you will find in our FAQ section. The Evaluation of a Pet Shop The Evaluation of a Breeder (written by Kaz) Adopting a Rescued Bird You ladies are wonderful and I do hope all members take the time to check out the articles

This is very sad and I am so sorry that you lost almost all your birds. The fact is if you are going to keep a 1 bird or a flock you need to find the money to vet your animals this is the ONLY chance they have. We are not avian vets on this site we can not tell you what went they had or what you can do to fix it only an avian vet can do that for you. You need to call the avian vet talk to them, tell them your situation with the birds including the your finanical situation and beg them to let you come for the sake of your birds. I pray that your others birds will be okay but without avian care they will all be gone. I am sorry if I come over harsh but trust me I care about the sake of these birds, I do understand the finanical burdens we all have at time but I also know the commitment we have. If this was a dog or cat would we treat them the same or would we rush them to the vet? Please take the reminder to an avian vet ASAP. I appreciate the fact that you came here for advice it shows that you do care and we are here to assist you anyway we can but we can't make your birds from not dying.

I can't really tell if the cere is tan it is a girl if the cere is a deep blue like Merlin's in my siggy you have a boy.

I agree there with Carrie. I you just put her iin and then come back in a week and think she will be tame as she was she won't be but if you are a frequent visitor to your avairy on a daily basis with time spent you never know she may.

Welcome aboard as long as it your birds and not solictations you are more then welcome as feathers said to post your album in the Budgie Photo section. We have wonderful FAQ you can read through if you have have a question and always feel free to ask us. We have a wide variety of members from single bird pet owners to multiple pet bird owners, there are those that show their birds and those that have huge aviaries. A wonderful combo of members with vast knowledge. How do your budgies and tiels get along? I have always read not to mix species especially since budgies can be a bit bossy

take a picture without the flash and repost again I see what you mean though.

are her flight feathers grey, like the one in the picture? Flash makes a difference and Ann I think used flash. Merlin's wings can look brown at times but he is regular black marking.

Here is more information on diet I think you will see with a diet change you will find improvement. Vitamin A is very important for the respiratory system. Don't change the diet over all at once do it gradually and we have a lot of info in the FAQ's. Food and NutritionWhat should my budgie eat? It is very important to remember that a budgie on an all-seed diet is not getting the nutrition he/she needs in order to live a long, healthy life. Feeding your budgie a large variety of healthy foods can increase its life span and reduce the risks of common health issues such as lipomas (fatty tumors). No seed mix or pellet is a "complete diet" (despite what many will say on the package) so it's vital that you give your bird a good, varied diet. Ideal Diet ? Your budgie's diet should consist of roughly 30% pellets, 30% seeds, and 30% fresh foods like healthy fruits and vegetables. Treats should be given sparingly and make up only about 10% of what your budgie eats. Make sure that the seed mix you buy doesn't contain many sunflower or safflower seeds as these are especially fattening. Pellets should not contain artificial colors/dyes. Wash fruits and vegetables thoroughly before feeding them to your bird as pesticides are harmful to them. Buying organic is ideal. Other Foods - Along with the foods mentioned above, there are cooked foods that you can also offer your budgie such as Beak Appetitand Crazy Corn. Organic wheatgrass is another very healthy food you can offer but should only be given about once a week. Water: Your budgie's water should be changed every day (as often as needed each day) to prevent the growth of harmful bacteria. Cuttlefish Bone: Helps keep your budgie's beak in good condition and they also provide your budgie with calcium. Never allow your budgie to have alcohol, avocados, apple seeds, or chocolate as these are toxic to budgies. Birds have trouble digesting dairy products so steer clear of these as well. Read: Unsafe Foods For recipes contributed by our forum members click here AND Visit BBC Food and Nutrition Forum Last update: 2007-04-12 19:30 Author: eterri Click here on how to encourage your birds to eat pellets: http://forums.budgiebreeders.asn.au/faqs/i...id=3&artlang=en

she looks cinnamon to me not grey at all

What type of relationship are you looking for in regards to taming? If you are looking for a budgie to follow you around, sit on your shoulder, talk to you at this point I would say because they 4 of them the chance of this type of tameness is rare if null. It is easier to work with sole budgie and then introduce new ones in to the flock to keep the tameness. At this point if you are looking for stepping up, accepting you into their flock and them enjoying their company. I would work with them together and alone. So example you can have group sessions and solo taming time. I would work with the one that is the most tame and not fearful of you. Budgie tend to follow the crowd. So if you work with the one that is most scared and he is flapping around and trying to get away from you the others will follow suit. Also I don't know if they are clipped but this may be something to consider it does help with taming big time. It gives them a true "attitude" adjustment where they become more dependent on you. Clipping is a personal choice and I believe each individual person makes a decision based on what they are looking for in their birds. Pretty and Merlin where both clipped and I let them grow out. When Pretty died I had Merlin reclipped for taming purposes. I hope this helps you can do a search on this forum too on top and read about taming plus I am working now on an FAQ taming section. Let us know if you have more questions and welcome.

Oh Shawna there is nothing I can say to make this better but please know that you are all in our prayers nightly. (((HUGS))

really love the 2nd picture how they are all in a row, what a rainbow of colors

OH BOY (Laughing out loud) and you don't want him to promote her to lay eggs . Poor Blinks

BUMPING UP

I will add this info above to this article Daz but wanted to add this also :sad: for help. PERSPEX DOORS ON NESTING BOXES: this has saved many a chick from `down plucking' and `feather plucking'. It is imperative that when the perspex door is fitted that you remain in the breeding room until the hen and/or cock have been encouraged back into the nesting box. The sudden increase in light tends to frighten the cock and hen away from the box so it is imperative you check they have fed their chicks to avoid the death of one or more chicks from starvation. Once the cock and hen have adapted to the light the hen will generally round up the young and keep them at the back of the box. In many cases she has been known to totally clean the bran/nesting material out of the nesting box, beak full by beak full -maybe when she has completed this task she is too tired to pluck the chicks! Just remember to replace the bran daily so she has something to keep her occupied. If possible leave a small gap between the perspex and top of the nesting box, or drill holes in the perspex or side of the nesting box, so air can circulate in the box - the box can become quite humid if we experience a hot day. I have had a wonderful success rate using this method. Make a note in your records, against the hen or cock, so you can use this method again if it has been previously successful.

I will have to research Malony I haven't seen anything like this in my area :sad:.

It is frustrating I am sorry :sad:, please keep us updated on what happens. Can I ask what type of a diet your little one is on? Diet is the KEY to a healthy immune system so maybe we can help you figure out how to improve his diet and try and keep him healthier after he is all better first.

Budgies are flock creatures and you are his flock. So when you leave he will call to you this is very normal. Things have changed and now because you are not home with him all day he will have to adjust to your schedule and the calling will decrease with patience. So he is not particularly lonely but saying "hey where did you go". When Pretty died Merlin did calling for him but now it has been almost 2 months the calling has decreased and I will find he calls for me now but it is not as bad. You may want to consider getting a 2nd budgie but only if you want one for you and for him not just him. Here are things to consider before getting a 2nd budgie. I have been thinking about getting a second budgie, is this a good idea? Categories for this entry General Budgerigar FAQs Getting a second budgie could very well be a good idea, but only if you think it over carefully and prepare. Here are some things you should think about: Any new bird must be quarantined for a minimum of thirty days so that you can monitor him for illness. Avian vets suggest a longer quarantine of 90 days. A well bird check up during this time is a very good idea with an avian vet. You can also use this time to bond with the new bird so that it is tame before introduced to your other budgie. It is much harder to tame a bird that is already housed with another bird. Read: Quarantine Program Not all budgies will get along. Most are okay, but introductions must be carefully supervised to ensure that the two birds will not harm each other. In the event that your budgies don't get along, you must be prepared to house them separately. Many budgies who refuse to harmoniously share a cage will often do okay during out of cage time. However, this is not always the case. You may very well end up having to give your new budgie his own spacious cage and make time to give the two birds separate time out of the cage. Speaking of which, a second budgie means a little more expense. Vet care, extra food, and an extra cage (at least for quarantine) must be taken into consideration or a bigger cage to house both birds comfortably. If you find your birds are arguing and not getting along check to make sure the size of the cage is big enough to accomodate two budgies. The most costly of all these is of course, vet care. Can you comfortably afford vet care for the bird you already have? If not, it would probably be wise not to add to the flock right now. Lastly, make sure you really want that second bird too. If your biggest motivation is providing a budgie friend for your current bird then you might end up frustrated and disappointed if they don't get along. Basically, make sure you have the time, patience, money, space, and desire to comfortably take care of a second budgie, even in the event that the two birds do not get along. Another note is that two males will get along better than a male and a female. Females tend to boss and rule over males, who will more readily back. Getting two of the same sex birds will also prevent accident breeding and eggs being layed especially if you do not desire to breed. answer by eterri Last update: 2007-04-17 16:15 Author: Elly

Here are a couple articles that will help you decide from our FAQ's 1. I have been thinking about getting a second budgie, is this a good idea? Categories for this entry General Budgerigar FAQs Getting a second budgie could very well be a good idea, but only if you think it over carefully and prepare. Here are some things you should think about: Any new bird must be quarantined for a minimum of thirty days so that you can monitor him for illness. Avian vets suggest a longer quarantine of 90 days. A well bird check up during this time is a very good idea with an avian vet. You can also use this time to bond with the new bird so that it is tame before introduced to your other budgie. It is much harder to tame a bird that is already housed with another bird. Read: Quarantine Program Not all budgies will get along. Most are okay, but introductions must be carefully supervised to ensure that the two birds will not harm each other. In the event that your budgies don't get along, you must be prepared to house them separately. Many budgies who refuse to harmoniously share a cage will often do okay during out of cage time. However, this is not always the case. You may very well end up having to give your new budgie his own spacious cage and make time to give the two birds separate time out of the cage. Speaking of which, a second budgie means a little more expense. Vet care, extra food, and an extra cage (at least for quarantine) must be taken into consideration or a bigger cage to house both birds comfortably. If you find your birds are arguing and not getting along check to make sure the size of the cage is big enough to accomodate two budgies. The most costly of all these is of course, vet care. Can you comfortably afford vet care for the bird you already have? If not, it would probably be wise not to add to the flock right now. Lastly, make sure you really want that second bird too. If your biggest motivation is providing a budgie friend for your current bird then you might end up frustrated and disappointed if they don't get along. Basically, make sure you have the time, patience, money, space, and desire to comfortably take care of a second budgie, even in the event that the two birds do not get along. Another note is that two males will get along better than a male and a female. Females tend to boss and rule over males, who will more readily back. Getting two of the same sex birds will also prevent accident breeding and eggs being layed especially if you do not desire to breed. answer by eterri Last update: 2007-04-17 16:15 Author: Elly 2. Quarantine Program Categories for this entry Budgerigar Health And Related Quarantine is the best way in protecting your existing birds from the introduction of infectious disease. It is also to determine whether or not the new bird or birds are diseased and then to treat the problem. The quarantine cage is where all new birds are housed and ideally it should be in a completely different room where there is no airborne or physical contact. Recommend days for quarantine are at least 30 days (1 month). Avian Vets recommend 90 days (3 months) for best results as many illness can lay dorminate. It is strongly recommended you quarantine! If you don't, you could lose all your budgies! Budgerigar Quarantine Program The following list outlines the steps that should be taken to safely and effectively quarantine new arrivals to protect your existing flock from potential infection. Most steps can be applied to any species. The main difference is in the size of the quarantine cages used. Bird Quarantine Program Bird Treatments 1. External Parasites (Lice and Mites) Spray thoroughly with A.I.L. before putting in quarantine cage. 2. Internal Parasites (Worms) Treat with Wormout Gel on day one of quarantine - CROP NEEDLE DOSE: Fill a 1mL syringe with Wormout Gel and deliver. Administer 0.05mL per 100g body weight, once. Repeat every three months. - IN WATER: All aviary birds add one mL to 80mL of drinking water, for two days. Pigeons - use only half the dose by adding one mL to 160mL of drinking water. Treat birds for 2 days. Remove all other water supply. Each pump delivers 2mLs. Aviaries should be treated at least four times a year. 3. Protozoa (Canker/Coccidia): Treat Canker with Ronivet-S; mix 4g per 4L drinking water daily for 5 days. Treat Coccidia with Coccivet; mix 1.5mL per Litre drinking water for 5 days. 4. Psittacosis: Use Psittavet in water; mix 4g per 800mL of drinking water (mix fresh solution daily) daily for 45 days. 5. Megabacteria: Treat with Megabac-S; mix fresh solution daily for 10 days. 6. Nutrition: Supply extra vitamins (Soluvet), minerals (Tracemin), probiotics (Probotic) and protein for the entire quarantine period. Quarantine Conditions CAGES Size - Budgie/small parrot; Breeding cabinet (600mm x 450mm x 350mm) - Finch/canary; Budgie breeding cabinet - Medium/large parrot; 1200mm x 900mm x 900mm - Cockatoo; 900mm x 900mm x 900mm. Position - Inside conditions; separate air space - Outside conditions; At least 5 meters from other birds. Preparation - Cleaned and disinfected with Avi Safe - Treated for insects with Avian Insect Liquidator (A.I.L.) - Paper on bottom of cage. Hygiene: Clean cages and feed birds in quarantine AFTER normal aviary maintenance Wash hands with Avi Safe Scrub after attending to quarantine birds Be careful not to carry droppings, feathers or other waste back into existing aviary Wash and disinfect food and water containers with Avi Safe daily. Observation During Quarantine What Should you look for? The purpose of quarantine is to detect or eliminate potential problems before they can enter your aviaries. You must observe all birds in quarantine for any signs of disease. Common signs are; • Prolonged inactivity • Eye or nasal discharge • Weight loss • Soiled vent or diarrhoea (cages lined with paper make observation of droppings easier) • Wheezing or gasping. If any of these signs occur, keep the infected birds separate from your current stock. Contact Vetafarm veterinarians or visit www.aussievet.com for an online consultation. VETAFARM Office Address: 3 Bye Street Wagga Wagga NSW, 2650 AUSTRALIA Postal Address: PO BOX 5244 Wagga Wagga NSW 2650 AUSTRALIA Tel: (ISD + 61) ( 2) 69 256222 (Six lines) Fax: (02) 69 256333 Email: vetafarm@vetafarm.com.au We always advise before any home treatment to make an appointment with your Avian Vet. Last update: 2007-04-21 15:01 Author: Article contributed by Daz Quarantine for 30 days and that includes ANY contact in the cage or out of the cage.