In the finnish forum someone put out a picture below asking what is the colour. Unfortunately there are no front pictures, maybe later, I asked for some. I can see brown cheek spots, or whatever they called, patches seem a little lilac/violet to me. What do you think?

 

Anyone?? We have only one real colour expert in Finland who's active enough to answer the color questions, and she's not online now, and I'm not patient enought to wait for her!

 

Here he is:

WOW!! very handsome colours

Beats me too. an Opaline of a sort i think

I have no idea what it is.. although it's stunning! and yes, some kind of opaline

Yes an Opaline of some kind, but with some unusual traits, it would be very interesting to see some front pictures if you can get them.

Looking from the back it looks like a Dark Green Opaline (dark green =. 1 dark factors)

Edited May 29, 200817 yr by Elly

Front onwould help heaps! Is the colour blotchy? It looksa little like it could be going by that tail, maybe it's a pied but really can't tell without seeing the whole bird. I LOVE how clear the feathers are on his head, not even a shadow of a bar

THis photo was also posted on a British Forum and has been described by an expert as being an Opaline Golden Face Light Green

That's quite true, thank you Derek! If I still manage to get a front on picture, too, I promise to post it here.

THis photo was also posted on a British Forum and has been described by an expert as being an Opaline Golden Face Light Green

 

Question how can it be a Golden Face if it is a green series bird, would it not be a Golden Face Bue where the yellow has washed through the body? GF, YF terms I thought were only there to describe the yellow on a blue series bird, I was thinking it could be a blue series bird in my head because the Yellow is so deep but it could be due to 2 dark factors too, the green doesn't look light either it looks very dark vs a light green?

 

Here is the color showing what dark green is WBO Standards 369 is the color I am thinking

Source: Best of the Breed Website

 

Another thought is that he could also be carrying the violet gene which does add a darkening factor to a green bird

Edited May 29, 200817 yr by Elly

A frontal view

Much better picture, I would say Opaline Texas Clearbody Green, CLICK HERE to see member's Texas Clearbodies,

I was thinking about a clearbody, but then he doesn't have ANY markings at the back of his head and that confused me a bit. I read that thread all through when I was trying to figure out what he is. We don't have any Texas Clearbodys in Finland until now! And thanks for the definition, I'm still hoping someone else would come to the same conclusion, too, not that I don't respect yours.

The Opaline Gene reverses the lines on the head and makes them faint, if you look at the pictures you will see that the Opaline TCB has a different look then the TCB, example is Feathers Blue TCB in the link provided above.

One more thing I didn't notice, it has black flight wings to the end. TCB's are supposed to have white or nearly white flight wings. So if he was a clearbody, more like Easly. But if TCB's are rare here, ECB's I think were almost impossible to come to!

Being that is he an Opaline too changes the effects of the wing colors

Opaline Light Green Standards

General body colour: rump, breast, flanks and underparts; light green of an even depth of colour throughout including V area (saddle or mantle) where undulations at the back of the head should cease thus leaving a clear V effect between the top of the wings.

Mask: buttercup yellow, ornamented by six evenly spaced large round black throat spots, the outer two being partially covered by the base of the cheek patches. The buttercup yellow of the mask extending over the frontal and crown, to merge with the faint undulation at the back of the head. The frontal and crown should be clear and free from all markings.

Markings: on cheeks, back of head and neck should be minimal. On wings should be black on the body colour ground and be symmetrical with an opalescent effect.

Cere: blue in cocks, brown in hens.

Eyes: black with a white iris.

Cheek patches: violet

Primary wing flights: black with a minimal body colour edge.

Primary tail feathers: dark blue.

Feet and legs: blue/grey.

 

When you start to combine mutations such as this bird the standard for TCB is not there because the genes are mixed, how they are shown and such is beyond me.

 

I haven't seen anyone else reply let hopefully someone will too because maybe I am off track (but I don't think so)

 

Standards for TCB

 

SEX-LINKED CLEARBODY LIGHT GREENGeneral body colour: rump, breast, flanks and underparts yellow suffused with light green and may vary in intensity from minimum through to almost 50% of normal body colour depth, the suffusion should increase in depth of shade progressively downwards from the upper breast to the rump area where the colour is deepest.

Mask: buttercup yellow, ornamented by six evenly spaced large round black throat spots, the outer two being partially covered by the base of the cheek patches. The buttercup yellow of the mask extends over the frontal and crown merging with the black undulations at the back of the head. The frontal and crown should be clear and free from all markings.

Markings: on cheeks, back of head, neck and wings; pale black with a well-defined buttercup yellow edge free from any intrusion of body colour.

Cere: blue in cocks, brown in hens.

Eyes: black with a white iris.

Cheek patches: violet.

Primary wing flights: pale grey.

Primary tail feathers: dark blue.

Feet and legs: blue/grey mottled.

 

 

As for ECB I am not sure what that stands for.

I'm sorry for being so vague, ECB would stand for Easley Clearbody, which has black flight feathers, but is even more rare than TCB. I'm really confused now, as the finnish forum is sure it could be no clearbody as they're really rare on Europe and only a few breed them, so the other conclusion is an opaline. A grey green opaline, maybe.

 

I actually just listen what everybody has to say! I'm glad people do say what they think and I really hope he is TCB (or "ECB" ) 'cause we have none. I guess the owner should try breeding with him and that would settle this conversation!

 

But thank you anyway for explaning everything for me. I now know a whole lot more about clearbodies.

 

EDIT: And by the way now, after seeing the front, also the expert in the english forum says it's a TCB, OR a fallow, incase it has red eyes. I asked about those eyes and now be waiting for the answer.

Edited May 29, 200817 yr by falki

no it is not a fallow not marked like one, I see now I remember reading about the Easley ones too...Norm knows more about TCB, you may want to give him a PM and tell him that Elly asked you to PM him and see if he could see this picture, he is usually on around now but he may be busy.

ELLY a green/ yellow series bird can still be a golden face or a DF Yellow face ....

it was in the website that i posted ages ago from a gentectis (sp)

With that first picture taken from the back I wondered about the Yellow feathers showing near the tail, if it could have been a Clearbody, but as some have suggested the flight feathers are not faded. I have just done a search of the net to find a picture of an Easley Clearbody, as I couldn't remember seeing one. From the couple of pictures I was able to find it looks like an Easley Clearbody, as they seem to have the darker wing pattern & the main flight feathers remain full colour. We don't have them in Australia as far as I know, but they are in the UK, so some may have got into other countries in Europe.

That bird has an extremely clear head; usually with Opalines you can see some pattern. Maybe it’s not even an Opaline, I don’t know enough about Easley’s to know.

Edited May 29, 200817 yr by Norm

ELLY a green/ yellow series bird can still be a golden face or a DF Yellow face ....

it was in the website that i posted ages ago from a gentectis (sp)

 

I didn't know they specified it if you can refresh my memory , I do know that say that a GREEN series bird can carry the YF but to show it is difficult to see since their head is already yellow...

ELLY a green/ yellow series bird can still be a golden face or a DF Yellow face ....

it was in the website that i posted ages ago from a gentectis (sp)

 

Neat, Green series birds can mask YF & GF, but unless you mate them with Blue series birds, you can’t see it.

Yeah, that is what confused me to elly, but when you bred with a normal, and the outcomes are YF that is the only way ( is I remember correctly) how you can tell ... Werid ... I will look for the post, as the p.c has been upgraded and I have lost all my Bookmarked websites : (

There are some interesting photos on Barrie Shutt's website that describe a lot of colors. http://www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars....rsmutations.htm

There are some interesting photos on Barrie Shutt's website that describe a lot of colors. http://www.officialbarrieshuttbudgerigars....rsmutations.htm

 

Thata a cool link - Did you spot that Libby's Opaline profile picture is in there too

Where which opaline???

I used to join there forum, but found "Barry Shutt the fark up" as we like to call him far too annoying haha