Dave_McMinn 0 Posted April 21, 2008 Member ID: 3,092 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 103 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,831 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 21,560 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/01/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2018 Birthday: 23/05/1975 Share Posted April 21, 2008 (edited) Kim is a 1 year old budgie that is very curious. She was exploring the other day in the aviary, and somehow got stuck. That was only half the problem. Cheese and Sebby decided they would take advantage of this and proceeded to bite off the end of one of Kim's toes. Luckily I went into the aviary before any more damage cold be done. Kim has lost part of the rear toe on her left foot. It took a little while for the bleeding to stop. I could not bandage it, I tried, but she is just a nightmare to hold. Anyway, once the bleeding stopped, and she stopped picking at it, she was fine. Kim is back in the aviary now, planning her revenge I fear. Here is kim in a hospital cage, notice the blood. Kim's uninjured foot. Injured toe - note that the nail and a bit of toe are missing from these pics. http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p125/dm...ssing_toe_2.jpg http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p125/dm...ssing_toe_1.jpg The bigger problem is Norm. He was very fluffed up and lethargic inthe aviary, so much so taht although I had the net, I caught him flying through the air. I am not that fast to catch a budgie in an aviary unless it is unwell. Anyway, he has been under a lamp in the hospital cage for a few days now. I have given him some Sulphadim, both in his water and by beak. He seems to be pooing regualrly, and he is eating so that is good. He is not as fluffed up as he was, and that is a good sign. He loves the lamp, so that is good. The problem is that his poos are sticking, creating what I am now calling a poo-ball on hsi feather, which eventually falls or I pick it off him. Here is Norm fluffed up. The problem area (unecessary shot but always best to get a shot of the main problem area) This is the "poo-ball". He is in a covered cage, he is eating, he gets suphadim in his beak and in the water, I clean his bum regualrly and he has a warm lamp on him 24-7. I think he is getting better, it is jsut this sticking poo. Anything else I should do? Edited April 21, 2008 by Elly pic over 450x450, board reg turned to link Link to comment
JimmyBanks 0 Posted April 21, 2008 Member ID: 4,130 Group: Site Members Followers: 1 Topic Count: 112 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 4,370 Content Per Day: 0.75 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 25,112 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/03/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 1, 2015 Birthday: 12/02/1982 Share Posted April 21, 2008 wow thats crazy looking poo... It kinda looks like he gets constipated and then eventually pushes a massive one out... which begs the question can budgies get constipated? Hopefully you figure out the problem soon. Sorry to see Kim's foot. Looks painful. Good luck with it all.. Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted April 21, 2008 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Oh boy Dave, I hope Norm gets sorted out that doesn't sound good. The toe ouch but it heals fast Pretty lost a complete nail and I never know how it happened it was within the first week he was at the house. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 21, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Ouch ...sore toe With Norm...maybe he needs looking at by the vet. Sulpha meds I would use only as an interim measure to stop the cycle of poopiness and then see whats what. If he still has an "issue" with his sytem and the poop indicates it...there is more going on than just a tummy bug. He has been wormed ? Link to comment
deb 0 Posted April 21, 2008 Member ID: 3,867 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 198 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,737 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 11,910 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 01/12/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 23, 2011 Birthday: 25/09/1970 Share Posted April 21, 2008 sorry to hear your budgies are not well, hopefully you can work out what is going on with Norm and he gets better for you. Link to comment
birdluv 0 Posted April 21, 2008 Member ID: 2,137 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,842 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 31,670 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/03/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 30, 2018 Birthday: 06/04/1978 Share Posted April 21, 2008 l hope that both your birds will get better soon. Link to comment
Norm 0 Posted April 21, 2008 Member ID: 3,235 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,965 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 12,755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 6, 2009 Birthday: 20/08/1940 Share Posted April 21, 2008 Hope he responds Dave doesn’t look that well…gotta get my namesake of the net... all this talk about various parts of “Norm’s” anatomy on line is not good. Good luck. Ouch ...sore toe With Norm...maybe he needs looking at by the vet. Sulpha meds I would use only as an interim measure to stop the cycle of poopiness and then see whats what. If he still has an "issue" with his sytem and the poop indicates it...there is more going on than just a tummy bug. He has been wormed ? Kaz…which Norm are you talking about…what are you trying to say? That there’s something wrong & I need the help of a vet…mmm…you know I want to keep well away from those avian vets… Link to comment
Denise 0 Posted April 22, 2008 Member ID: 3,657 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 107 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 896 Content Per Day: 0.14 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,985 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/09/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 9, 2010 Birthday: 01/10/1964 Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) Hope he responds Dave doesn't look that well…gotta get my namesake of the net... all this talk about various parts of "Norm's" anatomy on line is not good. Good luck.Ouch ...sore toe With Norm...maybe he needs looking at by the vet. Sulpha meds I would use only as an interim measure to stop the cycle of poopiness and then see whats what. If he still has an "issue" with his sytem and the poop indicates it...there is more going on than just a tummy bug. He has been wormed ? Kaz…which Norm are you talking about…what are you trying to say? That there's something wrong & I need the help of a vet…mmm…you know I want to keep well away from those avian vets… Hahaha I thought of you when I first saw the post and wondered why Dave was posting about your bottom Edited April 22, 2008 by Denise Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 22, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) Kaz…which Norm are you talking about…what are you trying to say? That there’s something wrong & I need the help of a vet…mmm…you know I want to keep well away from those avian vets… Maybe you just needs some drops of ivermectin on the back of your neck Norm How many drops do you think ?? Edited April 22, 2008 by KAZ Link to comment
Norm 0 Posted April 22, 2008 Member ID: 3,235 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,965 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 12,755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 6, 2009 Birthday: 20/08/1940 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Kaz…which Norm are you talking about…what are you trying to say? That there's something wrong & I need the help of a vet…mmm…you know I want to keep well away from those avian vets… Maybe you just needs some drops of ivermectin on the back of your neck Norm How many drops do you think ?? Nasty...Nasty...Nasty!!! I suppose you want to give me a stong dose, fix everything at the one time. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 22, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 22, 2008 Nasty...Nasty...Nasty!!! I suppose you want to give me a stong dose, fix everything at the one time. :D what needs fixing all at the one time, Norm ?? Link to comment
Dave_McMinn 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 3,092 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 103 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,831 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 21,560 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/01/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2018 Birthday: 23/05/1975 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Well, despite the jocularity on here, Norm is still unwell. He is docile and he prefers to sit at the bottom of the cage. there is worming meds in hsi water, but I am not sure he has drunk any. he occasionally eats but not often. Still the poo balls. He is off the the avian vet this afternoon. 5pm appointment. Kim is good, back in the aviary. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 23, 2008 (edited) The Vet sounds the best option for Norm right now...how does he feel with his bodyweight ? When you are at the vets, ask the vet to show you how to crop feed....a valuable lesson to learn and may as well while you are there. It will help you medicate birds easier and also to feed when they wont eat. Good luck at the vets Dave PS if you have to buy a crop needle...you need a 14 guage 3 inch straight needle ...costs around $14-$15 Edited April 23, 2008 by KAZ Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2008 good luck Dave, I hope everything turns out that Norm can be treated successfully. Link to comment
Norm 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 3,235 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,965 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 12,755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 6, 2009 Birthday: 20/08/1940 Share Posted April 23, 2008 (edited) Nasty...Nasty...Nasty!!! I suppose you want to give me a stong dose, fix everything at the one time. :hap: what needs fixing all at the one time, Norm ?? I thought you would want a permanent fix Kaz...no more problems at all. Sorry Dave hope the vet can fix it, it will be intereesting to see what he thinks is the problem anyway. Edited April 23, 2008 by Norm Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I thought you would want a permanent fix Kaz...no more problems at all. You dont need fixing Norm. You are perfect just the way you are Link to comment
Norm 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 3,235 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,965 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 12,755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 6, 2009 Birthday: 20/08/1940 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I thought you would want a permanent fix Kaz...no more problems at all. You dont need fixing Norm. You are perfect just the way you are oooH Kaz you are so nice... Not sure that was a good idea of Dave's naming his TCB after me. Link to comment
Rainbow 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 198 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 31 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 2,028 Content Per Day: 0.10 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 15,290 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/03/04 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 15, 2009 Birthday: 24/04/1965 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I wondered what I would find here too because of the title... I'm sorry to hear Norm the budgie is not feeling well, glad it wasn't our other Norm, LOL. Let us know what the vet says. Is he drinking much? Sometimes dehydration will cause the feces to stick. Link to comment
Dave_McMinn 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 3,092 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 103 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,831 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 21,560 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/01/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2018 Birthday: 23/05/1975 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 I have not seen him drink at all and he has runny poos. right colour now, just runny and sticking. not looking good. 5 pm will never come it seems Link to comment
Dave_McMinn 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 3,092 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 103 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,831 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 21,560 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/01/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2018 Birthday: 23/05/1975 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Took Norm to my avian vet. He gave him a very thorough inspection but was at first, and I suppose still is, a little baffled with his ailment. Norm appears to have some form of abcess (not sure of spelling) near his crop that was discharging some fluid. The vet thought he might have some type of crop infection that is causing the formation of this abcess. They kept Norm there, putting in what they called the "Hot Room" and will give him some fluids and some antibiotics. He told me to call back in the morning at 11 to see how his progress was and we would play it day by day. I asked him what he thought long term. The vet said if the antibiotics did not take, then there is the possibility to perform crop surgery. Now, i love my birds, but if it came down to having him undergo surgery, when he is 1 year old, i would have to say no. Other might think I am heartless, but chances are, the surgery would kill him anyway. I really hope the antibiotics take, but I am prepared for the worst. I figured it was more than just a cold. Link to comment
Norm 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 3,235 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 76 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,965 Content Per Day: 0.32 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 12,755 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 6, 2009 Birthday: 20/08/1940 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Sorry to hear the news Dave, maybe you could be lucky & the antibotics may do the trick. I think I would be like you thinking an operation would be too much. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I have to agree. This is sad news and we hope for a recovery too. Lets see what tomorrow brings. Link to comment
Elly 0 Posted April 23, 2008 Member ID: 1,641 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 414 Topics Per Day: 0.06 Content Count: 15,350 Content Per Day: 2.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 99,335 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 05/10/05 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 1, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I am going to hope for the best and hope those antibiotics kick in. Dave, I don't think you are heartless it is your decision my I agree or not doesn't matter we know that you take care of your birds and do what is best for them. You are the only one that can make that very important decision. Good Luck! Link to comment
Dave_McMinn 0 Posted April 24, 2008 Member ID: 3,092 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 103 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 3,831 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 21,560 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 13/01/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 2, 2018 Birthday: 23/05/1975 Author Share Posted April 24, 2008 Well, I rang the vet today and there has been no improvement overnight. he is stable. let's hoep that means that he has hit rock bottom and tomorrow he can start clawing hsi way back up Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted April 24, 2008 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted April 24, 2008 I have all my fingers and toes crossed for some improvement Dave...sometimes they can surprise us and bounce back against all odds. Link to comment
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