Posted May 5, 200718 yr I got a little surprise with one of my younguns today. It appears to be basically white [with a suffusion of blue] it has black eyes. I wonder if it’s a Dark Eyed Clear, but doesn’t seem to fit, with what it’s parents are. I have read about whites of light suffusion on UK sites, but I don’t know much about them. Could it be one of them? THE MOTHER: Cobalt, cinnamon, I think Dominant pied or Clearflight. Bred from a Cobalt, dominant pied hen or clearflight…paired to a Cinnamon, Grey Green/split Opaline cock…. they produced Cinnamon pied & Opaline Hens. Normal cocks & Normal pied cocks. In blues, greens, grey greens & greys. THE FATHER: Opaline normal sky blue, white face [probably split to Recessive pied]. Bred from a Grey Opaline YF [maybe YF1] Hen..Not much suffusion of green in chest] mated to an YF2 Opaline normal sky blue/split recessive pied Cock. Parents of father produced YF1, YF2, white faced blues & recessive pieds. In blues & Greys. I don’t have any genetics further back as both lines bought from a pet shop. Has anyone got any ideas please? Picture here… http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s133/gr...itebudgie2a.png I worked on the picture to make it clearer & it brought up the blue suffusion more than in the actual bird, it maybe easier to tell more when it gets older.
May 5, 200718 yr The dark-eyed clear is actually a combination of recessive pied and clearflight pied. When these two mutations are both present, the budgie is has no markings or color. It is either pure yellow (if it is a yellow-based budgie) or pure white (if it is a white-based budgie). The dark-eyed clear's dark eyes never lighten with age, hence the name. You can tell a budgie is a dark-eyed clear because its eyes stay a dark plum color throughout its life. So the mom gave the clearflight gene and the dad the recessive pied gene and with that combo that is how you got a Dark Eyed Clear. The picture looks fuzzy to me and I am not best with babies feathering but that is how the genetics works .
May 5, 200718 yr The dark-eyed clear is actually a combination of recessive pied and clearflight pied. When these two mutations are both present, the budgie is has no markings or color. It is either pure yellow (if it is a yellow-based budgie) or pure white (if it is a white-based budgie). The dark-eyed clear's dark eyes never lighten with age, hence the name.You can tell a budgie is a dark-eyed clear because its eyes stay a dark plum color throughout its life. So the mom gave the clearflight gene and the dad the recessive pied gene and with that combo that is how you got a Dark Eyed Clear. The picture looks fuzzy to me and I am not best with babies feathering but that is how the genetics works . Wouldn't the mum need to be carrying recessive pied too??
May 5, 200718 yr nope you don't need 2 recessive pied genes it is when 1 recessive pied gene combines with 1 clearflight gene = dark eyed clear mutation 2 recessive gene = recessive pied
May 5, 200718 yr I thought they would both need to carry the recessive pied gene too. This is the breeding table for the Dark Eyed Clear Clearflight (sf) x Recessive Pied =50% Clearflight/Recessive Pied + 50% Normal/Recessive Pied Clearflight (sf) split Recessive Pied x Recessive Pied = 25% Recessive Pied = 25% Normal/Recessive Pied = 25% Clearflight (sf)/Recessive Pied = 25% Dark Eyed Clear Clearflight (df) x Recessive Pied =100% Clearflight (sf)/Recessive Pied Dark Eyed Clear x Recessive Pied = 50% Dark Eyed Clear = 50% Recessive Pied Dark Eyed Clear (sf) x Dark Eyed Clear (sf) = 50% Dark Eyed Clear (sf) = 25% Dark Eyed Clear (df) = 25% Recessive Pied Dark Eyed Clear (sf) x Clearflight (df) = 50% Clearflight (df)/Recessive Pied = 50% Clearflight (sf)/Recessive Pied Dark Eyed Clear (sf) x Clearflight (df) split Recessive Pied = 25% Dark Eyed Clear (sf) = 25% Dark Eyed Clear (df) = 25% Clearflight (sf)/Recessive Pied = 25% Clearflight (df)/Recessive Pied Dark Eyed Clear (sf) x Clearflight (sf) split Recessive Pied = 12.5% Dark Eyed Clear (df) = 25% Dark Eyed Clear (sf) = 12.5% Recessive Pied = 12.5% Clearflight (df)/Recessive Pied = 25% Clearflight (sf)/Recessive Pied = 12.5% Normal/Recessive Pied [phew] No wonder a top breeder once adviced Kaz and I to steer clear of them Feathers.
May 5, 200718 yr I don't believe so because it is 1 gene meeting another gene making the mutation know what I mean. Plus they could be carrying it we just don't know. Let's see what Nerwen says
May 5, 200718 yr If it is definately black eyes and not red eyes it has to be a Dark Eyed Clear. There is only three white birds. Albino - Red Eye. DF Spangle - Black eye (but both parents must be spangle) Dark Eyed Clear - Black eye (These parents have the make up) ...and yes feathers they worth staying a way from untill you sort out what you are doing.
May 5, 200718 yr Author I agree with Feathers…My understanding from searching on the net & Ghalib Al-Nasser’s site is that unless one bird is a Dark Eyed Clear, you have to have a Clearflight [df]/recessive pied paired with a Recessive pied…or a Clearflight [sf]/Recessive pied paired with a Recessive Pied. I’m not sure if the hen is a Clearflight or a dominant pied…she has some white flight feathers & a white tail, the dominant pied head spot & some pied on her chest, she could be a badly marked Clearflight, but lots of her brothers were much more pied & looked like Dominants, but of course they could be a combination of Dominant, Recessive & Clearflight. So both father & mother may be at least split for recessive pied so it might work like this…I guess I will have to wait to see if the baby gets iris rings to prove it.
May 6, 200718 yr Can we get a shot of the mum? I can see some markings on the wings of the bub and want to see if it's my imagination or shadows. (front and back would be good) As to the DEC 1 recessive gene or 2 ? 2 makes sense but when i was first learning about the gene I always thought it was only 1 gene needed. Edited May 6, 200718 yr by Nerwen
May 6, 200718 yr when I have a chance I am going to read up more I thought as you did Nerwen but I am always open to learning
May 6, 200718 yr I just checked the budgie book I borrowed from work, the bird needs 2 copies of the recessive gene and at least one of dominant clear-flight pied.
May 6, 200718 yr feathers, where do you always get these mating tables Through reading books and searching the internet. I have mating expectation tables for most varieties. Just looking through the link you were given, mine all agree with them. I must admit to having a soft spot for genetics. It was my favourite science subject waaay back when I was at school. Feathers.
May 6, 200718 yr I just checked the budgie book I borrowed from work, the bird needs 2 copies of the recessive gene and at least one of dominant clear-flight pied. We learn something new everyday. Thank you for looking that up and hats of to you and feathers. Feathers, that is how I was in school too loved genetics
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