http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a26/darry...minantpieds.jpg

 

This is the other dominant pied it is not talked about often, the Dutch Dominant Pied. This pied gene like the other dominant gene gets the iris ring. This pied can gets an almost full wing pattern like a normal, the more mottled look in the wings as shown in Daz's link above (the bird on the right) I believe is from a different gene yet again. The colour of the body is more of a bleed of colour from the neck to the chest. It can be confused with a recessive because of the patterning of the colours but a Dutch dominant tends to get more of the normal base body colour. Males of this dominate pieds get the deep blue cere.

 

Now Questions or photos if you think you have one...

Edited July 16, 200618 yr by Nerwen

Good Thinking Nerwen. A great idea for a post.

Thanks Nerwen....all this info will sink in eventually!

 

Cheers,

Tracey

okay, let me get this right... well trying to anyway.

 

A dutch pied has almost 'normal' wing markings, and recessive pied has splotches here and there right??

 

would that make my little Chase a Dutch pied or a recessive pied?? So far no iris rings yet, and he's having his first moult.

 

One of his back

 

And also just a question regarding recessive pied... I was told that if they have some sort of body colour around the face/cheek area, it means that they are not recessive pied. Is that the case? I mean like Bobby's case, he's got the blue around his cheek area, but he's still a recessive pied right?!?!

 

sorry to be a pain, but I'm learning the genetics.. hehehe.. very confusing, but it's fun. Loving it.

YEs he looks like a dominant, the best way to tell as always is the iris rings, which should be showing themselves soon if he is.

 

As to the colour around the neck, with all working of picking out mutations you can not rely on just one factor. If bobby's wings where patterned differently, as in the black markings in one area on the wings, then yes DF dominant pied would be a better choice.

okay cool.. so I'll be waiting for those iris rings to show up!!

How can Cheeeta's Chase be a dominant pied if both parents were described as recessive pieds ??

Edited July 16, 200618 yr by Bubbles

YEs he looks like a dominant, the best way to tell as always is the iris rings, which should be showing themselves soon if he is.

 

As to the colour around the neck, with all working of picking out mutations you can not rely on just one factor. If bobby's wings where patterned differently, as in the black markings in one area on the wings, then yes DF dominant pied would be a better choice.

 

Nerwen, let me throw something else into the mix about wing patterns. The flight feathers.

 

In the Australian variegated pied, the birds will have some black flights and some white ones. Occasionally the flights can have both colors on the same feather. My Skittles is a variegated pied. Chase carries both colors on his flights too. Do you know if this type of pied refers to just the patterning of the flights and can be in addition to other mutations, or does this type of pied refer to just that - the type of pied. If so, the AV pied is a dominant pied. I am hoping in your mutation book there will be some reference. If not, I'm off to the web for some searching!

Edited July 16, 200618 yr by Rainbow

How can Cheeeta's Chase be a dominant pied if both parents were described as recessive pieds ??

I.e. Pairings Expectations

Recessive Pied × Recessive Pied 100% Recessive Pied

All babies from these two (7 or 8 babies ) have been recessive pieds...............so Cheeta's Chase cannot be dominant pied can it ?

Parents.......father

mother

....am I missing something here ?

 

**Also, is Chase a male ?

Edited July 16, 200618 yr by Bubbles

I wonder if he's really a recessive pied!! I mean if both parents are recessive pied, it's gotta be recessive pied... Hmmm...

Now Questions or photos if you think you have one...

 

Very interesting pied bird. Question: What sort of result would you get if you crossed a Dutch pied with a dominant pied?

Would Daffodil be a Dutch Dominant?

 

 

And what about Bella?

 

Would Daffodil be a Dutch Dominant?

 

 

And what about Bella?

 

 

Daffodil looks to be a Yellowface Opaline Clearflight

Bella looks like a Skyblue Spangle Dominant Pied

HAHA SHAWNA!!! Look, Daffy matches the tractor in the background perfectly! (Laughing out loud) :fear

 

Kirby

I think this link will take you to the "easiest to understand" site regarding pieds. And I answered my own question above thanks to another trip there for the link. :fear The varigated is a wing pattern, and occurs on the Australian Pied and the Dutch Pied. And the answers to your pairing questions are there too.

 

Great thread Nerwen!

ahh thanks Rainbow, I guess that means My statment at the start about thinking the look of the wings on Daz's picture ( taken from the ABK book) was from another mutation was incorrect.

 

What sort of result would you get if you crossed a Dutch pied with a dominant pied?

It's not recomended to mix the two together becuase then you have magor troubled to break the two gene up again. As to what you will see, I'm not sure possible something that looks like a DF dominant pied.

 

bubble maybe we miss picked the mum? And Chase is a girl taking note of the cere this time.

 

Was there questions i missed?

Nerwen, Chase's Cere is turning purplish loosing more and more of that that whitish rings around the nostril, but I guess Chase could very well be a girl.

Chase's cere reminds me of my Quake's cere, started out looking like boy, then wasn't sure if it's a boy or a girl, and now well he looks like he can't make up his mind.. Quake's a he since I've seen him trying to mate with YueLiang (I was watching about a foot away.. he certainly wasn't shy about it!! (Laughing out loud))

 

Here's a picture of Quake's cere. Where the blue is was where the whitish cream was making me think that he's a she... but it turned out blue in the end...

 

Here's one of Quake earlier on.... (this picture was taken on the 23rd of May) so the cere's colour has only recently turned blue.

 

And here's one of little Chase I took earlier today...

Edited July 18, 200618 yr by Cheeta

bubble maybe we miss picked the mum? And Chase is a girl taking note of the cere this time.

 

Was there questions i missed?

I dont quite get it Nerwen....do you mean we didnt get Mum and Dad right when they were up for discussion on mutation ? They seem to have had all recessive pieds in two clutches. Anything we missed ?

Wooohooo... I just tried reading the site Rainbow linked to, and may that just went over my head!!! (Laughing out loud)..I'm sooo stumped!! Oh well I'll just wait and see if the iris rings pop up or not.. Chase's having the first moult, so hopefully it'll turn up sometimes soon if he is a form of dominant pied.

Wooohooo... I just tried reading the site Rainbow linked to, and may that just went over my head!!! LOL..I'm sooo stumped!! Oh well I'll just wait and see if the iris rings pop up or not.. Chase's having the first moult, so hopefully it'll turn up sometimes soon if he is a form of dominant pied.

His Dad doesnt have iris rings. I'm going to recheck in daylight both parents.

Edited July 18, 200618 yr by Bubbles

Oh man what a thread (Laughing out loud) (Kirby says I have been thinking too hard

 

okay, did you close breed them or did you colony Karen could mum have been having some fun on the side with a dominant :ausb:: I mean if this is a dominant pied (IF) then that is the only way.

 

I am not a genetic expert but I know for a fact 2 recessive genes can not produce a dominant factor. Just like, 2 blue eyed parents will always have blue eyed children never brown.

Oh man what a thread lol (Kirby says I have been thinking too hard

 

okay, did you close breed them or did you colony Karen could mum have been having some fun on the side with a dominant :ausb:: I mean if this is a dominant pied (IF) then that is the only way.

 

I am not a genetic expert but I know for a fact 2 recessive genes can not produce a dominant factor. Just like, 2 blue eyed parents will always have blue eyed children never brown.

These two have only bred with each other for two clutches...........no dominant pied budgie was available to them for a "bit on the side" ..........maybe need to rethink Mum and Dad's classification . Are parents really recessive pieds ? Or is this budgie of Cheetas just a strongly marked recessive pied ? Considering all babies were recessive pieds as told to me on this forum, Cheetas boy must be.

***PS Neither parent has iris rings ***

Edited July 19, 200618 yr by Bubbles

well they both look recessive to me :ausb:

well I was thinking mum had a lot of markings on the wing, BUT the iris rings are the real give away. Since neither have them it means they can't be dominant. That would be since Lovey is right about the recessive parents not being able to produce domiant babies, that all the birds in this family are as first stated, recessive. See how hard working out mutation can be with pictures sometimes, (Laughing out loud).

 

And the last picture of Chase I would say boy even though the other pictures where very pale white/blue.

is there anyway you can see the plum coloring of the eye? I mean we are looking for rings how about the plum coloration? That will sometimes come up with a picture at a angle and I don't mean red eye