Drogo 0 Posted June 11, 2012 Member ID: 7,323 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 570 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 13, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2012 (edited) I have contacted this society on facebook. When I asked whether the society promotes wild or pet type budgerigars or the cobby show type but in a smaller size they replied: We promote all of the above. But we are developing a standard. It is nothing like the modern English exhibition bird but tries to capture the essence of the Australian bird as a proud, bold, active, colourful little bird. The draft will be posted on our website soon. Personally, I prefer the bigger birds but it looks interesting. The budgerigar may split into distinct show breeds as opposed to different colour varieties (+crests, longflights etc). There are dozens of canary, pigeon and poultry breeds in the world and it appears that soon there will be more than one breed of show budgerigar. Drogo Edited June 11, 2012 by Drogo Link to comment
Drogo 0 Posted June 11, 2012 Member ID: 7,323 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 570 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 11, 2012 Just noticed I didn't add a link for the Miniature Budgerigar Society of Australasia's website: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Miniature-Budgerigar-Society-of-Australasia/210336612377289 Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 12, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 12, 2012 That article is EXTREMELY misleading and full of non substantiated " facts" .......................one has to wonder at the motives of the interviewees http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-news/too-fat-to-fly-pudgy-budgerigars-rule-the-roost/story-e6freuzi-1226377866349?from=public_rss Link to comment
Drogo 0 Posted June 12, 2012 Member ID: 7,323 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 570 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 12, 2012 I thought it was just a typical media beat up. I don't think anyone would take the author's angle too seriously and the person I spoke too on facebook didn't seem to be prejudiced against the modern show birds. The only real news presented is that a Miniature Budgerigar Society held their first show and Don Burke is involved. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 12, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 12, 2012 There's a HUGE amount of dissention been caused by statements made in this article.................such as pudgy non flying budgies and lack of health, and breeding for the $$$s inferred. Further statements made have not helped the situation either....... Link to comment
zneb67 0 Posted June 15, 2012 Member ID: 7,325 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 8 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 80 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 11/06/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 28, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) As a bit of an outsider I think its a great idea, going back to the roots. Have always thought those huge headed ones are not very attractive and look fake i na botox kind of way. Hope there is room in this world for both camps Edited June 15, 2012 by zneb67 Link to comment
Drogo 0 Posted June 15, 2012 Member ID: 7,323 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 570 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted June 15, 2012 I actually prefer the big birds but I don't oppose having two distinct show breeds. If enough people can agree on a miniature standard and breed towards it, the "miniature" show budgerigar might get off the ground. I guess we will know in ten years time. It is unfortunate that the article's tone is insulting, which does not reflect well on the Miniature Budgerigar Society. Link to comment
macka 0 Posted June 16, 2012 Member ID: 3,383 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 2 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,136 Content Per Day: 0.19 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,440 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 02/05/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 31, 2012 Birthday: 24/06/1948 Share Posted June 16, 2012 I have heard it all now,What is Don Burke,trying to do, the same as he did to some of the Dog breeds., Its a money making exercise.It will be lucky to get off the ground.Miniture Budgie Shows.What next.!!!!!!!!! Link to comment
jazzcam77 0 Posted June 18, 2012 Member ID: 7,245 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 9 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 33 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 255 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 04/04/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: November 26, 2012 Share Posted June 18, 2012 I dont know to much about this incident however i have great intrest in the mini budgies thought it would be good for my kids to get involved there always trying to look after mums birds Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 19, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 19, 2012 (edited) There really is no miniature budgie. You can buy anything deemed a mini budgie at any pet shop or from any commercial backyard breeder. As a bit of an outsider I think its a great idea, going back to the roots. If they were going back to the roots they would be working with bush budgies. They arent. They are working with already modified birds from show culls and petshop stock. Edited June 19, 2012 by **KAZ** Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 19, 2012 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.30 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 19, 2012 http://vimeo.com/12939910 Link to comment
phoenix 0 Posted October 28, 2012 Member ID: 7,457 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 39 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 305 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 20/10/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 13, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2012 (edited) In the USA they have 2 types of budgie already. The small kind and the bigger ones they call the English budgie. Is that the same thing? Edited October 28, 2012 by phoenix Link to comment
Drogo 0 Posted October 28, 2012 Member ID: 7,323 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 104 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 570 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/06/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted October 28, 2012 In the USA they have 2 types of budgie already. The small kind and the bigger ones they call the English budgie. Is that the same thing? I don't think so. The small budgerigars the Americans call "American budgies" are just small pet shop birds. Why America thinks it invented the budgerigar I will never know. Link to comment
phoenix 0 Posted October 28, 2012 Member ID: 7,457 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 39 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 305 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 20/10/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: February 13, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2012 In the USA they have 2 types of budgie already. The small kind and the bigger ones they call the English budgie. Is that the same thing? I don't think so. The small budgerigars the Americans call "American budgies" are just small pet shop birds. Why America thinks it invented the budgerigar I will never know. I wondered why they have English and American budgies when they all come from Australia. Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted November 23, 2012 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) I think it's fantastic. I can spend no money, time or effort at all trying to improve my birds and then sell them to unsuspecting SUCKERS who want to buy a "minature" budgerigar!!! But seriously, go and buy a bird from any petshop, so long as it's pretty coloured and it will win at miniature shows. Where is there ANY challenge in that. AND for the record I'd challenge Mr Burke to come to my aviary and find a non-flyer. He completed rooted the lovely crossbred mongrel with his stupid designer "Sh*t-Poos", "Cocka-shits" and "Malti-shits", he could have just left the poor old pet shop budgie alone..... wonder if we'll have miniture budgie mills, just like the puppy mills that pump out thousands of the Mr Burke endorsed "designer dogs". Oh and Phoenix - English Budgerigar stems from the fact that the English, being the small livestock embassadores that they are, were the ones who initially spent the time increasing the size and feather of the budgies that were brought over to England from Australia originally. When they got re-imported to Australia they were distinguished from the smaller (non-improved) Australian budgerigars. The showies now tend to distinguish them by Show birds/Petshop birds. But I'd suggest it's a similar situation in the US with the improved birds being termed by the layman as English Budgerigars. Edited November 23, 2012 by nubbly5 Link to comment
Pebble 0 Posted December 5, 2012 Member ID: 7,395 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 10 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 67 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 27/08/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: April 4, 2014 Birthday: 29/01/1981 Share Posted December 5, 2012 I am only new to budgies, but have been heavily involved in dogs all my life. I have never bred any dogs (although I live with five German Shepherds)! This is because I have seen the physical commitment and expense and time required to breed healthy pedigree dogs. Most breeders in the dog world are just as committed to their animals as the breeders on this site are to their budgies. While I have the commitment I don't have the money or time. Yet last year Don Burke published an article that extended over a number of issues which claimed that all pedigree dog breeders were puppy farmers. From this point on, I have not bought his magazine as a small personal protest. These claims were made internationally with the same level of spin and unsubstantiated hearsay and accusation as was to be found in the article at the beginning of this post. They were disrespectful and fundamentally false with poor knowledge or involvement in the hobby. As nubbly5 identified Don Burke has also been responsible for the growth of a market for cross bred dogs sold for an exorbident price rather than just cross bred dogs. He also tried to destroy pedigree breeding. My advice for the budgerigar fancy would be to avoid any contact with Don Burke as his actions in the dog world are easily transferred to the budgerigar fancy. Regardless of your opinion of miniature budgerigars, avoid contact with it until Don Burke has moved on to destroy his next hobby! Remember he will always have free and easy access to the media, and sadly in this country too many people still believe that if you're published you must know what you are talking about. It is unlikely any opposition within the fancy could compare to the media dictatorship of Don Burke. Link to comment
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