GenericBlue 0 Posted June 17, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted June 17, 2009 okay so im going to start show birds i belive i have the eye to produce a good quality bird and i know i have the abillity to be hard when it comes to what stays and what goes problem is i dont have the eye to see passed what i think is a lovley bird so others honest opinions would be good i want to keep nothing that is just okay i have 4 birds i belive to be very exellent stock but know that that doesnt always mean good chicks i think i have complemented my choise in birds that i have up at pressent but i was wondering if any these cocks should be really thought about in my breeding plan at moment im keeping them to up grade my larger pets as i feel they show quality is old as i have a tendancy to go for the key hole look and am trying to get past that slim line look please help me blue norm cock bird /opaline/rececive pie o6 bird ..club rung grey opaline /fallow o6 bird .club rung cock bird grey opaline/rec pie cock 07 bird no ring my own breed bird his mother pet type fater the blue norm above grey wing grey o8 bird club rung brought december 08 this bird is small but proportianed well i think grey spangle hen o8 club rung dec buy 08 well i will post more when i work out how to upload pics to photo bucket again :rofl: would love feed back please Link to comment
Hamish 0 Posted June 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,299 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 84 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 26, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2009 As a recessive pied split bird, I would definitely think about keeping this cock bird. He has a great deep mask, is not bad above the beak. He doesn't have the blow that you would like to see, but you are hard pressed to find recessive pied splits that have got outstanding blow. He has great length. From here you can see that he doesn't really have as much backskull as you would like to see in a bird you would introduce back into a recessive line, but as a start, I would suggest that he is quiet a handy bird to keep. grey opaline /fallow o6 bird .club rung cock bird --- As a fallow split, he too is handy. However, he doesn't have the depth of mask or the spots we would like. Unless you are planning on specifically going into fallows I would sell this bird. grey opaline/rec pie cock 07 bird -- Again a nice bird, is the mother a recessive pied? Doesn't have the spots that the father has, but has a nicer blow. The my only concern here is that the bird is quiet narrow through the top end. He lacks shoulder to me. If he is recessive though, and you are heading into recessives, I would keep him also, my only reservation is that as an opaline cock as a foundation bird, you are going to have a lot of opalesence coming through in your stud. grey wing grey o8 bird club rung brought december 08 -- Smaller bird, but as a grey wing has some good qualities about him. He has an average mask, and lacks the blow you would like in a stud cock bird. He is quiet a fine feathered bird so you would want to put him to a solid buff hen (the type that normally doesn't breed that well ) this bird is small but proportianed well i think grey spangle hen o8 club rung dec buy 08 She is a well marked spangle hen that has a bit of power about her. Nice length, but again a fine feathered bird with not as much blow as you would like. As a young bird I would keep her and see how she comes up, for her markings and length alone I would suggest she is a good stock hen when paired to the right cock bird. I would suggest that if you are starting to aquire the foundations of a stud, select a direction you wish to head. You've got some lovely solid recessive splits, if you are heading into recessives then they are a good place to start. With your fallow splits and spangles I would think that picking one or two directions to start would be a more sensible option. These are just my thoughts, you have some lovely birds, I'd be interested to see some of the recessives that you've been breeding. Cheers Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted June 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 (edited) norm grey /opaline 06 bird club rung he with my lace wing hen now okay i thought this was a grey wing but i got told he is a dilute so....anyone ? he o8 club rung dec bird okay this hen i love o8 bird sept chick this hen i need to know fair dinkem is she got any show quality ?? i thought put her with the blue cock she is next to he is also her grand father then her chick with a cock with length and blow ..opinion please this hen also ...? both these birds are septber birds and both on the small size but upsize is no prob if they have worthy features i think mmmmm. i cant decide well thats some put more latter thanks for taking a look thank you very much i havent actually aquired my show stock rec pieds as yet as im looking for the perfict one how ever i have a few nice cock birds i was told would be a good start if i upgraded them by spliting with a large solied hen in whicch i agree however its finding one with the right quality as when upgradeing you cant go just picking any larger bird the quality must be outstanding in my opinion i really opreshiate your honesty thanks mate i am going to be breeding lacewings opaline spangle fallow albinos and cinnamon rececives and doms i know that sounds like a lot but i have a very good plan layed out for myself which will keep my birds with quality and at a minamal cheers Edited June 18, 2009 by GenericBlue Link to comment
Hamish 0 Posted June 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,299 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 84 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 490 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 25/04/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 26, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2009 I would keep the spangle sky blue hen and put her to a normal blue series cock bird with no opalesence and a big top end. She is a really handy bird. The other hens I would probably sell off because they are all quiet small. The spangle down bottom right photograph has not bad feather above the eye, but as a spangle, she is no good. Her markings are lacking and she is a bit too small to consider working with in my opinion. Both of the cocks lack a bit of shoulder, if I were you I would invest in a cock bird with a lot of blow and some nice width across his face and chest. This will bring some size into the stud, and if you put him to that spangle sky hen of yours I would say you'd come out with some crackers! Good luck Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted June 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 I would keep the spangle sky blue hen and put her to a normal blue series cock bird with no opalesence and a big top end. She is a really handy bird. The other hens I would probably sell off because they are all quiet small. The spangle down bottom right photograph has not bad feather above the eye, but as a spangle, she is no good. Her markings are lacking and she is a bit too small to consider working with in my opinion. Both of the cocks lack a bit of shoulder, if I were you I would invest in a cock bird with a lot of blow and some nice width across his face and chest. This will bring some size into the stud, and if you put him to that spangle sky hen of yours I would say you'd come out with some crackers! Good luck the spangle is a cinnamon cobalt according to her breeding recolds she is my best hen and i have her with my biggest cock with length blow and large spots i do expect fantastic out come if all goes to plan trying to get picks on to photo bucket but they changed it and im having troubble id like to show my pairings Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted June 18, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted June 18, 2009 the spangle is a cinnamon cobalt according to her breeding recolds she is my best hen and i have her with my biggest cock with length blow and large spots i do expect fantastic out come if all goes to plan trying to get picks on to photo bucket but they changed it and im having troubble id like to show my pairings woops no the spangle your talking about is actually a grey dilute and defenently not a keeper soz i thought you were rephering to my splat bird the cinnamon cobalt opaline spangle she is my best hen apart from my lacewing hen not pictured yet... still having trobble with down loads to photo bucket the sky ifv cinn hen is not spangle she is opaline and yes needs a big bird with **** and blow you are right these birds that are not show standed are to become my pet type birds as they are good size and lovley to breed with to larger non rung birds and are more reziliant than average pet type type people always want them thank you guys for opinions and i hope i get more comments to chew over and direction into possable uses for these birds cheers Link to comment
nubbly5 0 Posted June 25, 2009 Member ID: 5,023 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 39 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,608 Content Per Day: 0.08 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,635 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 28/01/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 21, 2018 Share Posted June 25, 2009 Hey GB Just some advice. Having gone through the motions myself, can I suggest you trim down the varieties you are going to breed. The issue being that for almost all of these recessive or sex linked recessive varieties you need super normal variety budgies to cross back to to produce splits. I breed lacewing, fallow and clearwings (and playing with a few blackeyed selfs) and have found that with a 200-300 birds stud I run very very short on good substantial normals to the point where I am having to dedicate a lot of time and effort to breeding or sourcing good outcrosses. Personally I would concentrate on one or two of you favourites initially and then if your stud handles that branch out into a third. Just a suggestion though of course. Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted June 25, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 Hey GB Just some advice. Having gone through the motions myself, can I suggest you trim down the varieties you are going to breed. The issue being that for almost all of these recessive or sex linked recessive varieties you need super normal variety budgies to cross back to to produce splits. I breed lacewing, fallow and clearwings (and playing with a few blackeyed selfs) and have found that with a 200-300 birds stud I run very very short on good substantial normals to the point where I am having to dedicate a lot of time and effort to breeding or sourcing good outcrosses. Personally I would concentrate on one or two of you favourites initially and then if your stud handles that branch out into a third. Just a suggestion though of course. i hear you loud and cleqar that is why im starting with my lacewings and spangles and albinos im going to do the cinnamons from lacewings and albinos from lacewings it all blends quiet well i know what your going to say dont mix albino with lacewing but i dont plan to as such but will breed hens with the split grey cock bird i just got and norm/lacewing cocks i have studdyed what im going to do quiet long and still now am not rushing to put my birds in breeding cabinet i see where your comming from but i may not hit the show bench for a few years or more yet as although some my stock is nice i want to achive a small line of my own with out many out crosses comming in i know how to do this with out breeding closely so will give it a go its about the birds and the challange for me not so much the winning bird not yet any ways Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted September 16, 2009 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.94 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Author Share Posted September 16, 2009 I would keep the spangle sky blue hen and put her to a normal blue series cock bird with no opalesence and a big top end. She is a really handy bird. The other hens I would probably sell off because they are all quiet small. The spangle down bottom right photograph has not bad feather above the eye, but as a spangle, she is no good. Her markings are lacking and she is a bit too small to consider working with in my opinion. Both of the cocks lack a bit of shoulder, if I were you I would invest in a cock bird with a lot of blow and some nice width across his face and chest. This will bring some size into the stud, and if you put him to that spangle sky hen of yours I would say you'd come out with some crackers! Good luck well hamish i took your advice i sold my split fellow boy my opaline grey diluted hen is gone the little dom gone i kept the two split rec cock birds father and son and i have put a very large masked cock bird with normal ,cinnamon wings ,split blue and lacewing to my small but bulky opaline cin sky violet hen so lets see if i get thoughs crackers :rofl: Link to comment
Dean_NZ 0 Posted September 16, 2009 Member ID: 4,879 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 28 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 974 Content Per Day: 0.17 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 5,370 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 07/12/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2011 Share Posted September 16, 2009 I agree with nubbly, good normals are very hard to come by. Even in the large aviaries where i sometimes purchase show stock, they sell a lot of their cinnamons, opalines, and inos, but rarely do they sell a spangle or a normal. Quality normals are essential as outcrosses in almost any variety. And while at first I was going to breed opaline to opaline, i think for the most part I know would prefer to have more normals and im attempting to breed some this season with my best normal cock. Next year I will be showing my normals and my opalines and leave it at that for starters I know I won't do very well, but im curious to see where my birds stand and what improvements I can then make the following year before I look at moving to canada and starting again. Link to comment
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