Ratzy 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 5,628 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,283 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,095 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 30/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 22, 2012 Birthday: 26/03/1998 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I have lost two budgies and a cockatiel to the great outdoors. I'd like to think that they found good homes but what is more likely is that they died within the week. Personally, I am a violent person and would slap anybody who told me they were releasing their captive birds - right across their face. Link to comment
Hezz 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 6,577 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 133 Content Per Day: 0.03 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 750 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/02/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: August 21, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Here,here Ratzy. I fumed for days. Couldn't believe the sheer stupidity, ignorance, enviromental vandalism and everything else in between. I also shared this nonsense (in the very real meaning of the word) with other budgie lovers/breeders further afield......the general reaction being "you have got to be kidding?" Enough said. Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Share Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) Personally, I think that some of you are actually being very rude. Even though we are only typing in words, simple courtesy should still be held. Saying that if you ever met Pop's in face, you would slap them, thinking that this is a joke or a troll, saying everything is his fault, it is all incredibly rude. Saying " The sheer stupidity, ignorance and enviromental vandalism"..... No one here cannot tell me that this is not rude. How would you like it if you made a simple decision, about an animal you are none too knowledgeable about, to be virtually , slapped across the face at the sheer rudeness of some. Pop's came on here, asking a simple question, trying to learn more. This is a budgie forum, were you ask questions and give help to people that don't have the same amount of information as others! I have followed the progress of this thread, and it has got quite out of hand I think. I am sure that Pop's understands that what he is doing is potentially harming to the two birds. Yes, It was wrong to let a captive-bred budgie free. I am sure that Pop's understand's that. How does anyone here even know that Gladiator is a captive bred budgie? her parent's could have been escaped feral birds for all we know. As Kaz mentioned at the start of the thread, She has quite possibly evolved further, so that she knows how to cope with enemy birds and know's how to survive. I am sure that Pop's has been scolded enough, maybe we should all just try and offer our support for him, Gladiator and Pretty Boy. Edited June 5, 2011 by Squeak_Crumble Link to comment
maesie 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 3,838 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 120 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,386 Content Per Day: 0.22 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 27,580 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 18/11/07 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 27, 2013 Birthday: 20/04/1979 Share Posted June 5, 2011 And also to the moderators of this site I think you should condemn these actions even if they were made with good intentions. Personally I can not and never will condone this behaviour. Bren, if you read all of the posts in this topic, you will see that a number of staff members have commented on the behavior of the member who started this topic. I myself have made many posts stating my opinion. Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.49 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Ratzy and Hezz, Squeak has a good point, your comments are pushing the limits of rudeness. We should state our differences of opinions without using insults or threats of physical violence. But Squeak, I don't see how we can support and encourage someone who has purposely gone against all the advice he actually sought out on his own and ignored. Besides, Pops doesn't sound like someone who needs defending. He sounds like he is unbothered by our opposing positions, and is going to do what he wants regardless. I'm actually glad that he hasn't run away from the forum. I would like to know how this turns out. I haven't stated any of my opinions about the situation yet, but I have been feeling that Gladiator would have stood a better chance of survival if she had not been given a mate. Breeding is stressful on a bird's body, and I have seen hens lose condition and get sick and run down while feeding chicks. I think she was better off sitting on infertile eggs, and I hate to think of what may happen once she has mouths to feed. Link to comment
Squeak_Crumble 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 5,236 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 71 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,025 Content Per Day: 0.05 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 6,515 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2013 Birthday: 11/06/1997 Share Posted June 5, 2011 But Squeak, I don't see how we can support and encourage someone who has purposely gone against all the advice he actually sought out on his own and ignored. Besides, Pops doesn't sound like someone who needs defending. He sounds like he is unbothered by our opposing positions, and is going to do what he wants regardless. No, Not encourage, But just offer information and support . Even though Pop's hasn't replied for a while, hopefully some of the information we are giving him may be helping. Even if the change isn't immediate, maybe one day these little birdies will lead a safer life. Link to comment
Nutty Pops 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 6,623 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 105 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 6, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 Mmmm hot topic on the Sunday. Didall of you put in a good word for me at Church this morning? lol And now I’m branded a thief bya bren and threatened with a slap in the face by Ratzy, the irresponsibleBirder. Just to let you Drama Queensknow, I did make an effort and asked my close neighbors if anyone knowsanything about an escaped budgie. There are just so many doorsone is able to knock on. Bren, our Spaniels go for awalk/run 3 times a week and this will shock you, without leashes bren, yes freeto run and run like a hunting dogs, which they are and should be able to do. I’d say that most of youhonorable members have never seen and never will see what I do. A Budgie inhigh speed “free flight” and I see it every day. Thank you for the support Squeak_Cand Finnie, however the Budgie was evolved by the Good Lord millions of yearsago and has remained unchanged. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budgerigar Surely God never developed theBudgie to be locked up in a cage. If he did, why did he give them wings? Yes I did go ahead against goodadvice and successfully released a hand reared Budgie into my garden. However, all the advice wasbased on emotion and not fact. I’m pleased that it was, so far, successful andwill I do it again if Pretty Boy had to fly off. No. Will they ever be caught andcaged. NEVER. (only if a Avian Vet is required) I’ll stick my neck out and saymy birds are stronger than any of yours. They have “free flight” surely thecorrect muscles are developed for good health, not hopping legs. Mineral and calcium slabs areprovided for and an assortment of seeds, fruit and water are given daily.Budgies are social birds so 2 is better than 1. As long as I supply protectivehousing, fresh food and water, I can’t see any reason why they won’t have agood, happy and long life in my Garden Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) Hey Pops........................not everyone on here has budgies in smallish cages........some of us have large aviaries where we can see them fly fast and long and at speed. There is a diverse group of people who own and keep budgies and we all have our opinions, some stronger than others. My only hope and wish for you and your budgies is that they flourish and do well despite evidence to the contrary and would love it if you were able to prove many of us wrong over a longer period of time. Best of luck Kaz PS interestingly some who have expressed stronger opinions in a not so nice way have, in the past, done some pretty wrong stuff while they were learning what they were about their birds..................so in some cases pots can call a kettle black ....or not Edited June 5, 2011 by **KAZ** Link to comment
Nutty Pops 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 6,623 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 105 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 6, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 Hi KAZ Glad to have you on board. I'm happy to hear your budgies are able to reach top speed. Nothing worse than seeing these little birds in a box cage. The way they sway to and fro reminds me the Russians Bears in a Baghdad Zoo. I have the great pleasure of being able to bird watch in my own Garden. The wild sparrows are very quick off the mark and reach top speed in a straight line in just a few flaps. Budgies are a little slower off the mark. They drop off in a long swoop to get to top speed. They remind me of a WW2 Spitfire. Same wing shape as well. With there perfectly painted body's, they do bring so much joy into our lives. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 5, 2011 I'm not exactly " on board" Pops but I hope it works out for you just the same. Evidence and experience says otherwise but you may be the exception to that rule. We all do stuff in our learning phases........some of that stuff good and some bad. As long as the birds dont suffer in our learning processes. Only time will tell with your situation. Link to comment
Nutty Pops 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 6,623 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 105 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 6, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 lol. okay KAZ, got that, i'm on on my own. Bet you also scared of Ratz I will keep this forum updated with my "cruel and selfish experiment", even if it means i'll be bombarded with "I told you so" Now back to my question to you KAZ quite a few posts back. Do Budgies lay eggs in winter? Well now there are 2eggs now. I don't know if they are futile and if they are, now what? I bet that has just opened me up to another round of verbal lashes. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) lol. okay KAZ, got that, i'm on on my own. Bet you also scared of Ratz I will keep this forum updated with my "cruel and selfish experiment", even if it means i'll be bombarded with "I told you so" Now back to my question to you KAZ quite a few posts back. Do Budgies lay eggs in winter? Well now there are 2eggs now. I don't know if they are futile and if they are, now what? I bet that has just opened me up to another round of verbal lashes. Budgies will lay eggs all year round if conditions are right. Conditions being, a safe place to lay the eggs, being in good healthy condition and having plentiful food. Once the eggs are at the 5-6 days old stage you can put a strong light behind them ( leave them where they are ) and point the torchlight forward to where you can see and if you see reddish spidery veins it means the eggs are fertile and will produce chicks if all goes well. Once she begins to stay on the eggs all the time ( incubation) you count 18-21 days to chicks hatching. Chicks hatch every two days mostly as they were laid every two days. Sometimes two chicks will hatch the first days they are due. Edited June 5, 2011 by **KAZ** Link to comment
Ratzy 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 5,628 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 77 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,283 Content Per Day: 0.06 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 8,095 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 30/09/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 22, 2012 Birthday: 26/03/1998 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Sorry guys, I really should hold my tongue a lot of the time. Just touchy subject for me. I'll try to stay out of this thread then ( Yeah, I'm a really intimidating 13 year old! ) Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Sorry guys, I really should hold my tongue a lot of the time. Just touchy subject for me. I'll try to stay out of this thread then ( Yeah, I'm a really intimidating 13 year old! ) Ratzy.............we ALL suffer foot in mouth on occasions or have the need to go off on subjects that are emotive. No shame there. Its about the passion we have for our birds. AND we all have been through our lessons ...good and bad while we learn to become better bird keepers. Link to comment
GenericBlue 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 4,737 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 106 Topics Per Day: 0.02 Content Count: 5,156 Content Per Day: 0.92 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 28,240 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/10/08 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 27, 2021 Birthday: 08/09/1973 Share Posted June 5, 2011 well i know my post was long but if you did read it pops i too had free birds so i know the joys you refer to when talking of sitting out in garden to enjoy them im not totally for what you have done but its no different to what i did as a child only i did close my flight to their freedom but it was mainly due to peoples interference and them thinking they were helping me get my birds back the book i read about homing birds as pets stated budgies have a territorial area of 500 k surrounds and thats the only reason i tryed it as thats not really that far if you think about it now im older im positive its a croc of you know what i do not think i would ever say i told you so but i also would not say populating the area with budgies is a good idea either you say you will relocate chicks but to be honest if your so into them being free i dont see that happening however i do hope you are able to maintain their health and where their is seed their will be your budgies free as can be until day they pass as so long as you feed them and they have a nest hollow their they will stay that much i do know so good luck and i do hope you do just stick to the two flying free not add chicks to the picture i do hope you do re-home(the chicks ) them so as the population of birds does not keep growing wild budgies will mate at 4 weeks old their like flying rabbits to be honest and im not to sure the young would stick around like mum in dad time i guess will tell and please do stay around you actually crack me up i love your honest words even if i dont totally agree with your actions i totally understand them Link to comment
bren 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 5,682 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 150 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 22/10/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2012 Birthday: 08/05/1981 Share Posted June 5, 2011 Sorry if I have offended anyone and yes Maesie I totally agree with you. And Pops it can not be denied you have a good heart. I don't want to get in a slanging match with anyone. Just my main concern is that there might be copycats and this may start a trend of releasing budgies into the wild. I was fuming yesterday and I will probably refrain myself from posting further on this thread due to my strong opinion. Link to comment
bren 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 5,682 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 150 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 22/10/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2012 Birthday: 08/05/1981 Share Posted June 5, 2011 One last thing Pops, the information your fellow members have given you is based on facts, not emotion as you have stated. You would be well advised to not be so stubborn and listen to the knowledge you are being given from many, many years of experience. Link to comment
Nutty Pops 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 6,623 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 1 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 19 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 105 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 08/03/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 6, 2011 Author Share Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) and I will probably refrain myself from posting further on this thread due to my strong opinion. Promise ? Edited June 5, 2011 by Pops Link to comment
bren 0 Posted June 5, 2011 Member ID: 5,682 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 4 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 21 Content Per Day: 0.00 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 150 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 22/10/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: October 18, 2012 Birthday: 08/05/1981 Share Posted June 5, 2011 (edited) Lol, definitely no promise, and I am glad you have not run away from the thread despite all the opinionated people like me (shows you have guts to stand up for what you believe, and I respect that quality). And like I have said I know you have a good heart, but understand it is an issue that will definitly cause a lot of passionate debate. And despite all I have posted I am still curious as to how it all turns out, and I hope you keep posting updates. No hard feelings. But I think your case is probably an isolated one and I just don't want people to start releasing budgies into the wild. Edited June 5, 2011 by bren Link to comment
birdluv 0 Posted June 6, 2011 Member ID: 2,137 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 144 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 4,842 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 31,670 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 14/03/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: June 30, 2018 Birthday: 06/04/1978 Share Posted June 6, 2011 I have been following this thread but not posting in it alot. I have bit my tongue several times but l'm going to say something after all. I can see both views on this and can tell Pop's doe's not mean any harm towards the budgie's. I can only imagine how it feels to see the birds enjoying their freedom but for me, I could not do it. Since l could not help myself and worry about them all the time. I would be worried about all of the neighboring cats and wild predator birds, snakes, and all other natural predator's out there seeing them as easy targets. I myself would strongly not recommend other's doing this. Link to comment
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