rhiannan 0 Posted October 30, 2013 Member ID: 5,516 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 67 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/08/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 27, 2014 Birthday: 16/09/1990 Author Share Posted October 30, 2013 I'll pick him up tomorrow and have a decent look Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted October 31, 2013 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted October 31, 2013 yellow cock above is dad to the chick & eggs this hen is sitting on, what possible colours will chicks be Is it this hen? Between this photo and the one that just shows a tiny bit of her head and shoulder, she doesn't look like a spangle to me, but seeing her back may tell a different story. She looks like a recessive pied in this photo. Lutino cocks can be hiding all manner of mutations, so if he has clearflight pied and recessive pied, then these two could easily produce a Dark Eyed Clear chick. I assume he has red eyes? What about iris rings? If he has red eyes, but no iris rings, then he is a recessive pied as well as a lutino. (Or he could also be a DEC himself.) Link to comment
rhiannan 0 Posted October 31, 2013 Member ID: 5,516 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 67 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/08/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 27, 2014 Birthday: 16/09/1990 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 The big chick does have red eyes! Lol when I held him up to sun I could see red and it also has green coming trough on its back Youngest one looks like black eyes though Link to comment
rhiannan 0 Posted October 31, 2013 Member ID: 5,516 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 67 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/08/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 27, 2014 Birthday: 16/09/1990 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 Link to comment
paulie 0 Posted October 31, 2013 Member ID: 7,392 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 240 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/08/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 30, 2014 Birthday: 02/06/1962 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Cock looks Dark Eyed Clear from picture, A combination of Recessive Pied and Clearflight Pied. If has red eyes is Lutino, doesn't always show up in pics and looks to not have white iris rings as in Df spangle. Hen looks to be Clearflight Dom Pied combo. Assuming that cock is not lutino or Df spangle. your chicks are likely to be Black Eyed Clear. Hard to come by and often confused Link to comment
rhiannan 0 Posted October 31, 2013 Member ID: 5,516 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 67 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/08/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 27, 2014 Birthday: 16/09/1990 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 Thank you, the cock in sure is black eyes. Can the chicks be sexed with above info? Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted October 31, 2013 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted October 31, 2013 The big chick does have red eyes! Lol when I held him up to sun I could see red and it also has green coming trough on its back Youngest one looks like black eyes though okay, so with the color this chick has on its back, it is NOT a lutino. What red you are seeing in its eyes is because recessive pied budgies actually have dark plum colored eyes. They will look black, but if you get them in the right lighting, you can sometimes see a red-brown cast. I still think the hen looks like a recessive pied, possibly in combination with dominant pied. At the very least, since you are getting recessive pied and dark eyed clear chicks, you know she is at least split to recessive pied. The father must be a dark eyed clear. (Black Eyed Self is a different mutation, and they often get confused because people think the words Dark and Black are interchangeable.) Link to comment
rhiannan 0 Posted October 31, 2013 Member ID: 5,516 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 67 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 465 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/08/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 27, 2014 Birthday: 16/09/1990 Author Share Posted October 31, 2013 Thank you before I joined this from I only knew them as " yellow , blue & white, green" etc lol Link to comment
Finnie 0 Posted October 31, 2013 Member ID: 5,135 Group: Global Moderators Followers: 0 Topic Count: 69 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 2,545 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 14,055 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/09 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 18, 2020 Birthday: 06/08/1965 Share Posted October 31, 2013 Thank you before I joined this from I only knew them as " yellow , blue & white, green" etc lol Me too! When I got my first two budgies, I had one green and yellow one, and one blue one. I was happy, because I had "one of each color". Boy was I wrong! I think I was doomed once I came here and found out about all the colors they do come in. Link to comment
L__J 0 Posted October 31, 2013 Member ID: 7,482 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 438 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,910 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 5, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2013 That's very interesting. Since it's not a lutino, do you know what its parents are? They would both have to be spangles in order for it to be a DF spangle. The only other option is dark eyed clear. Unless maybe it has some markings coming in on it somewhere that I can't see in the photos. The parents don't have to be both spangles. The male can be split spangle, as I get df spangles out of this combination. Dominated Pied Cock + Spangle Hen = So I guess my cock bird is split spangle. Link to comment
Pandapaws23 0 Posted November 10, 2013 Member ID: 6,496 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 5 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 23 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 165 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 10/01/11 Status: Offline Last Seen: March 12, 2018 Birthday: 02/11/1992 Share Posted November 10, 2013 That's very interesting. Since it's not a lutino, do you know what its parents are? They would both have to be spangles in order for it to be a DF spangle. The only other option is dark eyed clear. Unless maybe it has some markings coming in on it somewhere that I can't see in the photos. The parents don't have to be both spangles. The male can be split spangle, as I get df spangles out of this combination. Dominated Pied Cock + Spangle Hen = So I guess my cock bird is split spangle. Budgies can't be split spangled he either is or isn't. He either is a spangled dom pied or if in a colony its a different cock. Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 11, 2013 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted November 11, 2013 That's very interesting. Since it's not a lutino, do you know what its parents are? They would both have to be spangles in order for it to be a DF spangle. The only other option is dark eyed clear. Unless maybe it has some markings coming in on it somewhere that I can't see in the photos. The parents don't have to be both spangles. The male can be split spangle, as I get df spangles out of this combination. Dominated Pied Cock + Spangle Hen = So I guess my cock bird is split spangle. Incorrect.........as spangle is a dominant gene no budgie can be split spangle This girl has a deformed beak. I picked up 5 budgies yesterday this girl was in a pair, I pointed it out to the breeder, he said it doesn't affect her & just gave her too me, she can eat well but I'm very sad for her, I read I can clip her beak to help, should I or should I put her down? She's all white the green is reflection from the avairy your girl has whats called scissorbeak...she would have hatched with this deformity .......her beak will continue to grow wrong as neither top of bottom beak works with each other in the usual way to shape it and keep it in trim....you will need to constantly trim it back for her to eat properly Link to comment
paulie 0 Posted November 11, 2013 Member ID: 7,392 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 8 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 240 Content Per Day: 0.01 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 1,280 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 19/08/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 30, 2014 Birthday: 02/06/1962 Share Posted November 11, 2013 (edited) "Incorrect.........as spangle is a dominant gene no budgie can be split spangle" okay I'm confused KAZ abt why a bird cannot be split to spangle. I have just had a nest fledge with 3 X light green spangle 2 x YF T1, Violet normal Cock is OIlive Violet opaline / spangle? Hen is Df Yf presenting as sky Normal /? According to what you say here KAZ this is not possible YET HERE IT IS. I'm confused The only thing I can think of is that cock may be masking Sp somehow Ill start a new thread for this Edited November 11, 2013 by paulie Link to comment
L__J 0 Posted November 12, 2013 Member ID: 7,482 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 438 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,910 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 5, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) Hey Kaz not sure how this happened I got a df spangle from Blue Dominate pied(cock) + Blue Spangle(hen) Edited November 12, 2013 by L__J Link to comment
**KAZ** 0 Posted November 14, 2013 Member ID: 1,976 Group: Site Members Followers: 2 Topic Count: 521 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 25,294 Content Per Day: 1.28 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 152,977 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 24/01/06 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 6, 2015 Birthday: 07/01/1956 Share Posted November 14, 2013 (edited) LJ your dom pied must be a dom pied spangle ....you can only get a df spangle from TWO spangle parents colony breeding or cabinet breeding ? post piks of the parents "Incorrect.........as spangle is a dominant gene no budgie can be split spangle" okay I'm confused KAZ abt why a bird cannot be split to spangle. I have just had a nest fledge with 3 X light green spangle 2 x YF T1, Violet normal Cock is OIlive Violet opaline / spangle? Hen is Df Yf presenting as sky Normal /? According to what you say here KAZ this is not possible YET HERE IT IS. I'm confused The only thing I can think of is that cock may be masking Sp somehow Ill start a new thread for this I say again..............you cannot have spangle masked, hidden or split for. Its a DOMINANT gene ....one is either spangle or it isnt ...it can be carried. It can be hidden only in albino, lutino, yf albino, and df spangles ...... half the issues are mis identification of the parent birds, OR colony breeding, or hen retaining sperm form another mating post piks of the parents Edited November 14, 2013 by **KAZ** Link to comment
L__J 0 Posted November 15, 2013 Member ID: 7,482 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 438 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,910 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 5, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2013 Cabinet breeding photos of are when I first got them. Link to comment
rachelm 0 Posted November 15, 2013 Member ID: 6,042 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 740 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 4,045 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 29, 2014 Birthday: 15/06/1977 Share Posted November 15, 2013 L__J mum is sky spangle, dad is sky dom pied opaline spangle. Link to comment
L__J 0 Posted November 18, 2013 Member ID: 7,482 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 438 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,910 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 5, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2013 I knew the mum was a spangle. I always thought the male was a dominate pied. Link to comment
L__J 0 Posted November 18, 2013 Member ID: 7,482 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 438 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,910 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 5, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Hey so how can you tell his a spangle. Why is there no spangle wing markings? Edited November 18, 2013 by L__J Link to comment
rachelm 0 Posted November 19, 2013 Member ID: 6,042 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 20 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 740 Content Per Day: 0.04 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 4,045 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 23/04/10 Status: Offline Last Seen: January 29, 2014 Birthday: 15/06/1977 Share Posted November 19, 2013 He has a small amount of opaline spangle wing markings on the top of his wings. The rest of his wing is clear from being dom pied . Here are two examples of opaline spangles, here you can see the body colour has replaced the black that you would normally see in a spangle. Link to comment
L__J 0 Posted November 19, 2013 Member ID: 7,482 Group: Site Members Followers: 0 Topic Count: 25 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 438 Content Per Day: 0.11 Reputation: 0 Achievement Points: 2,910 Solved Content: 0 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/11/12 Status: Offline Last Seen: December 5, 2014 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Thanks for them great examples. Link to comment
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