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Clearwing Violets, Cobalts Or Skyblues?

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Dad is a Full Body Greywing Violet Cobalt.

Mom is a Cinnamon Dilute Yellowface Mutant 2 Cobalt

 

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The first chick is a Greywing Skyblue.

 

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The 2nd and 3rd I assume are Clearwing Yellowface Mutant 2s.

 

Their stripes are fainter than the first chick's, so it is one of the reasons why I'm leaning towards clearwing.

 

I can't make up my mind on if these 2 are violets, cobalts or skyviolets. They look alike.

 

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Side by side, the Greywing sister on the right, and the Clearwing (I think) on the left.

 

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The Greywing Skyblue sister, for comparison of markings.

 

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With the Greywing sister.

 

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Hi Rashu, they are some lovely chicks! You have a similar situation as I did, when I was breeding my hen Finnie. I was never sure if Finnie was a clearwing, or a full body greywing, so I would try to pair her up with what I hoped was a dilute male, in the hopes of having chicks who were either regular greywing/dilute or plain clearwing/dilute. But it was always hard for me to tell the difference. And one of her mates was questionable, as to whether he was dilute or greywing, so that messed up my results even further.

 

So the thing is, if your hen is a cinnamon dilute, the cinnamon will wash out the grey color of the wing markings,and it will also wash out her body color. And that can make a regular greywing hen look like a dilute hen. Cinnamon together with greywing makes it hard to determine which kind of greywing you have. Anyway, what all that means is that some of your "clearwing" chicks, might actually be full body greywing chicks.

 

The one in the photo marked "Ocean" definitely seems to have brighter body color. I would watch that one when it molts to see what it's final coloring ends up looking like. :)

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some of your "clearwing" chicks, might actually be full body greywing chicks.

 

The one in the photo marked "Ocean" definitely seems to have brighter body color. I would watch that one when it molts to see what it's final coloring ends up looking like. :)

 

You hit the nail on the head. I was looking at one of the chicks which looks a LOT like its dad when he was a little boy...so I am assuming there might be some Full Body Greywings. This one here, for example, dark stripes and bright body colour.

 

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But then have a look at this Skyblue...such pale markings and a bright body colour. I'm leaning towards a Clearwing Sky.

 

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Can't make my mind up about this Mauve yet...but has dark stripes as well.

 

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But then the oldest chick....isn't she a Greywing?

 

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because she looks a lot like my other Greywing Skyblue (or Cobalt) hen here.

 

 

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Here's the 2nd chick, which I think is a Clearwing...side by the Greywing one.

 

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So to me it seems like I have Greywings, Full Body Greywings and Clearwings in the same clutch...but that's not possible, right?

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some of your "clearwing" chicks, might actually be full body greywing chicks.

 

The one in the photo marked "Ocean" definitely seems to have brighter body color. I would watch that one when it molts to see what it's final coloring ends up looking like. :)

 

 

To answer your last question first, yes, you can definitely get all three in one clutch. If you breed two full body color greywings together, you will get 25% greywings, 50% full body greywings, and 25% clearwings.

 

You hit the nail on the head. I was looking at one of the chicks which looks a LOT like its dad when he was a little boy...so I am assuming there might be some Full Body Greywings. This one here, for example, dark stripes and bright body colour.

I agree with you on him, full body color, and wings way too dark to be a clearwing.

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But then have a look at this Skyblue...such pale markings and a bright body colour. I'm leaning towards a Clearwing Sky. I don't know about this one. You may have to wait until after she molts. RIPbudgies has said before that you can tell a clearwing by whether its grey markings are clearly defined, or more fuzzy, blurry looking. This photo is a little out of focus, so it's hard to tell. I also think that things darken up some at the first molt, so she could end up with darker cheek patches, darker body, and darker wings. She could still be a regular greywing or a full body color.

 

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Willow actually looks kind of like a "he" to me in that photo.

 

Can't make my mind up about this Mauve yet...but has dark stripes as well. Yeah, Ushio's wing markings rule out clearwing, but you'll have to wait until the body and cheek patches feather in before telling whether he's greywing or full body.

 

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But then the oldest chick....isn't she a Greywing? Looks like greywing to me, but again, if the cheek patches and body darken up at the first molt, it could be full body color.

 

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because she looks a lot like my other Greywing Skyblue (or Cobalt) hen here.

 

 

She looks cobalt to me. She's a nice one, because she leaves no room for doubt. Her body is washed out properly for a greywing, and her wings are dark enough not to be confused for a clearwing. And she wouldn't be mistaken for a dilute, either. That's the problem I've been running into when working with the different dilution genes. What with all the modifiers they can have, the different types can overlap in appearance, so it is real easy to mislabel them. But I don't think this hen below would be mistaken for anything other than a regular greywing. :)

 

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Here's the 2nd chick, which I think is a Clearwing...side by the Greywing one. You mean the yellow face cobalt male? You could be right,his wings look lighter, and less defined in markings, but his cheek patches and body color look reduced, to me, so I'm leaning towards regular greywing. If he were clearwing, he would need bright cheek patches, and bright body color. And those can darken up when he molts, so it's still possible.

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So to me it seems like I have Greywings, Full Body Greywings and Clearwings in the same clutch...but that's not possible, right? Well, we know for sure that you have at least one full body color greywing in this clutch. The ones that you think are regular greywings and regular clearwings could still change, but whether they do or not, just having the one FBC tells you that your hen is not a dilute. Clover's genetic makeup is greywing split to clearwing, and that tells you that he had to get one of those from his mother. So she could be any combination of the dilution genes except for homozygous dilute.

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It seems that there are Full Body Greywings and Clearwings now....except the 1st chick, who appears to be a Greywing to me...but have a look. If she's a FBC Greywing then that should solve all the confusion.

 

Full Body Greywing Skyblue?

 

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Clearwing YF2 Cobalt?

 

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Clearwing YF2 Cobalt?

 

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Clearwing Skyblue?

 

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Full Body Greywing Violet?

 

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Full Body Greywing Mauve? (or grey??? cheek patch confuses me)

 

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If they are what I think they are, and mum is a Cinnamon Greywing and dad is a Full Body Greywing...so Clearwing+Greywing will produce FBC Greywings...but then what about the Clearwing chicks?

 

If mum is a Dilute or Cinnamon Dilute, then there should be Greywings and Clearwings...but the 4th chick has dark grey stripes and a bright body colour.

 

Then if there are 3 kinds...then mum would be a Cinnamon Greywing Split Dilute? That would solve everything.

 

 

 

 

 

 

some of your "clearwing" chicks, might actually be full body greywing chicks.

 

The one in the photo marked "Ocean" definitely seems to have brighter body color. I would watch that one when it molts to see what it's final coloring ends up looking like. :)

 

 

To answer your last question first, yes, you can definitely get all three in one clutch. If you breed two full body color greywings together, you will get 25% greywings, 50% full body greywings, and 25% clearwings.

 

You hit the nail on the head. I was looking at one of the chicks which looks a LOT like its dad when he was a little boy...so I am assuming there might be some Full Body Greywings. This one here, for example, dark stripes and bright body colour.

I agree with you on him, full body color, and wings way too dark to be a clearwing.

 

 

But then have a look at this Skyblue...such pale markings and a bright body colour. I'm leaning towards a Clearwing Sky. I don't know about this one. You may have to wait until after she molts. RIPbudgies has said before that you can tell a clearwing by whether its grey markings are clearly defined, or more fuzzy, blurry looking. This photo is a little out of focus, so it's hard to tell. I also think that things darken up some at the first molt, so she could end up with darker cheek patches, darker body, and darker wings. She could still be a regular greywing or a full body color.

 

 

 

Willow actually looks kind of like a "he" to me in that photo.

 

Can't make my mind up about this Mauve yet...but has dark stripes as well. Yeah, Ushio's wing markings rule out clearwing, but you'll have to wait until the body and cheek patches feather in before telling whether he's greywing or full body.

 

 

 

But then the oldest chick....isn't she a Greywing? Looks like greywing to me, but again, if the cheek patches and body darken up at the first molt, it could be full body color.

 

 

 

 

 

because she looks a lot like my other Greywing Skyblue (or Cobalt) hen here.

 

 

She looks cobalt to me. She's a nice one, because she leaves no room for doubt. Her body is washed out properly for a greywing, and her wings are dark enough not to be confused for a clearwing. And she wouldn't be mistaken for a dilute, either. That's the problem I've been running into when working with the different dilution genes. What with all the modifiers they can have, the different types can overlap in appearance, so it is real easy to mislabel them. But I don't think this hen below would be mistaken for anything other than a regular greywing. :)

 

 

 

 

 

Here's the 2nd chick, which I think is a Clearwing...side by the Greywing one. You mean the yellow face cobalt male? You could be right,his wings look lighter, and less defined in markings, but his cheek patches and body color look reduced, to me, so I'm leaning towards regular greywing. If he were clearwing, he would need bright cheek patches, and bright body color. And those can darken up when he molts, so it's still possible.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

So to me it seems like I have Greywings, Full Body Greywings and Clearwings in the same clutch...but that's not possible, right? Well, we know for sure that you have at least one full body color greywing in this clutch. The ones that you think are regular greywings and regular clearwings could still change, but whether they do or not, just having the one FBC tells you that your hen is not a dilute. Clover's genetic makeup is greywing split to clearwing, and that tells you that he had to get one of those from his mother. So she could be any combination of the dilution genes except for homozygous dilute.

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Well I'm totally confused Rashu, but you have some beautiful babies, whatever they are.

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